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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    useful idiocy is blaming the NRA for the actions of someone who was most likely not an NRA members.
    that might be a good bet Turtle. Only about 1/4 of Americans are gun owners and the NRA has between 4 and 4.5 million members so 90% or more of gun owners don't join up.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A society which has almost as many weapons as people is going to have an amount of collateral damage. Some innocent people will pay for that reality.
    places like Mexico have few legal firearms and far higher rates of gun deaths



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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    It is an accident crime or not because of no intent to harm or kill anyone. It's like the difference between criminal trespass and burglary or Murder 1 or 2 and negligent homicide. Intent is as important as the actions involved under thew law.

    You just unknowingly proved my point. I did not say anywhere in my post that the owner of the weapon should be charged with murder, but they should be charged with negligent homicide, or something along those lines.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that might be a good bet Turtle. Only about 1/4 of Americans are gun owners and the NRA has between 4 and 4.5 million members so 90% or more of gun owners don't join up.
    the NRA has far more members than say the NAACP. yet the NAACP is seen as the voice for black americans. More than one fourth of americans of adult age own guns. Many of those who do won't tell pollsters they own firearms though.



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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You would have made a great post if it weren't for the partisan baiting.

    As a life NRA member I fully support safe storage laws for all states. Leaving your gun accessable to to any "prohibited person" (which includes 5 year-olds) is not an accident, it's negligence, and negligence IS a crime.

    That the gun owner is not facing a felony child endangerment charge for this demonstrates a Law Enforcement deficiency. Passing more gun control doesn't adress problems of deraliction of duty with the District Attorney's office.
    Then as an NRA member, you and your NRA buddies should get together and ask lawmakers to prosecute those who's unattended weapon has "accidentally" killed someone.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    useful idiocy is blaming the NRA for the actions of someone who was most likely not an NRA members.
    The NRA is a mouthpiece for gun owners. I have not heard any other more vocal gun advocates out there then the NRA. Or any other gun group with more lobbying power either.

    Do you consider fatal automobile accidents intentional crimes too?
    Even if they are not intentional, automobile accidents that occur due to negligence are prosecuted. Hell, if you get into a one car accident and injure no one buy yourself, you will still get a ticket.

    How about the far more common case of kids drowning in swimming pools.
    Depending on the circumstances, either the adult responsible for watching the child should be charged with neglect, or the owner of the property charged if the pool in question was not sufficiently / resonably protected from such an occurrence should be charged with a crime.

    Do people like you celebrate infant deaths as something you can use to bash legal gun ownership?
    Probably celebrate them as much as gun owners like yourself chalk it up to an "accident"

    It sure seems so And what sort of background screening checks against ACCIDENTS?
    How about a law that charges people for negligence..... Sounds fairly rational to me.. But as I said in my argument, any law on guns will be fought against by people like you no mater how rational the law might be.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Then as an NRA member, you and your NRA buddies should get together and ask lawmakers to prosecute those who's unattended weapon has "accidentally" killed someone.
    If only we didn't have to fight off gun control nutters, there would be time and money to do that.

    This child is dead because you wanted an assult weapon ban. How many more children will the Left sacrifice for their anti-American agenda?

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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If only we didn't have to fight off gun control nutters, there would be time and money to do that.
    When the gun nuts start being part of the solution rather then the problem, the "gun control nutters" will stop fighting you. It is a fight you will loose in the long run. As I have said many times before, you can either come to the bargaining table and be part of the solution, or be left out and let us "gun control nutters" solve the issue without you. The country has been on a liberal track for a few hundred years. It is about time you come to terms with that. The south lost the war, slavery was abolished, women were allowed to vote and gay marriage is now becoming legal in most states. How many more wars do you want to lose? I highly suggest to you "gun nuts" out there that you come meet the "gun control nutters" half way on some issues to take some of the heat off, or else you will be handed a deafening defeat.

    This child is dead because you wanted an assult weapon ban. How many more children will the Left sacrifice for their anti-American agenda?
    I think the assault weapon bad is stupid. Any ban on firearms is stupid. Would I like to live in a world without firearms, YES!!! But the reality is that is impossible. In an idealistic world, I would like all firearms banned. Unfortunately we do not live in such a world, so any bad would be ineffective.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You just unknowingly proved my point. I did not say anywhere in my post that the owner of the weapon should be charged with murder, but they should be charged with negligent homicide, or something along those lines.
    No? I was agreeing and explaining why. I think they should be charged as well. I was pointing out it is also still an accident.
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    Re: 5-year old Idaho girl dies afterIdaho playmate gets gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    When the gun nuts start being part of the solution rather then the problem, the "gun control nutters" will stop fighting you. It is a fight you will loose in the long run. As I have said many times before, you can either come to the bargaining table and be part of the solution, or be left out and let us "gun control nutters" solve the issue without you. The country has been on a liberal track for a few hundred years. It is about time you come to terms with that. The south lost the war, slavery was abolished, women were allowed to vote and gay marriage is now becoming legal in most states. How many more wars do you want to lose? I highly suggest to you "gun nuts" out there that you come meet the "gun control nutters" half way on some issues to take some of the heat off, or else you will be handed a deafening defeat.



    I think the assault weapon bad is stupid. Any ban on firearms is stupid. Would I like to live in a world without firearms, YES!!! But the reality is that is impossible. In an idealistic world, I would like all firearms banned. Unfortunately we do not live in such a world, so any bad would be ineffective.
    The civil war has nothing to do with the issue of gun ownership, and I've never lived in a southern state anyway. Nice try but your hyperbolic bull**** is weak.

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