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Is Fracking Causing the Oklahoma Earthquakes?

Papa bull said:
Earthquakes are caused by the shifting of tectonic plates. What's funny to me is to hear someone loudly proclaiming that they know their geology while shrieking that fracking makes tectonic plates shift.

To date, there is no scientific certainty about any connection between fracking and oil wells. But that doesn't keep those that are unscientific from making unscientific absolute statements with the certainty that comes from ignorance.
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Thats going to turn out to be the biggest all time lie the eco-nazis come up with.
 
apdst said:
Thats going to turn out to be the biggest all time lie the eco-nazis come up with.
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It's not as big as the AGW lie but it's going to get busted before the AGW lie does. It'll probably be another 20 years or so before people give up waiting for the 2nd coming of Global Warming after the plateau.
 
apdst said:
Blocking off the upper water zone has nothing to do with preventing contamination; it was about commercial wells not producing water from the top water zone in an attempt to conserve that zone for public use. Read my posts more carefully.
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Brackish water is not being used exclusively...point one. The Ogallala is being uses as well.

Producers may not want to use the fresh water Ogallala [upper aquifer], but they can not frack with brackish Santa Rosa aquifer[lower aquifer]water alone...too much salts. Costs way to much to desalinate for drilling.
 
1750Texan said:
Brackish water is not being used exclusively...point one. The Ogallala is being uses as well.

Producers may not want to use the fresh water Ogallala [upper aquifer], but they can not frack with brackish Santa Rosa aquifer[lower aquifer]water alone...too much salts. Costs way to much to desalinate for drilling.
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Salt water can be used for fracking.
 
Papa bull said:
Earthquakes are caused by the shifting of tectonic plates. What's funny to me is to hear someone loudly proclaiming that they know their geology while shrieking that fracking makes tectonic plates shift.

To date, there is no scientific certainty about any connection between fracking and oil wells. But that doesn't keep those that are unscientific from making unscientific absolute statements with the certainty that comes from ignorance.
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You are kidding me, right? You believe that the tectonic plates are shifting in Oklahoma? Please, all people who read this, go read up on where tectonic plates shift. It isn't in Oklahoma. This is geology 101, but this fool is trying to rook you into believing otherwise.

Millions of gallons of water.
 
Raven1 said:
You are kidding me, right? You believe that the tectonic plates are shifting in Oklahoma? Please, all people who read this, go read up on where tectonic plates shift. It isn't in Oklahoma. This is geology 101, but this fool is trying to rook you into believing otherwise.

Millions of gallons of water.
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Real earthquakes are caused by shifting tectonic plates. If it's not, it's not a real earthquake, anyway, and is much about nothing.
 
I'll tell you what, since all of you seem to think this is fun and games. I've rounded up a few of my friends, and we are willing to stop paying the water bill in perpetuity until fracking stops in certain areas. Yes, I know people in Oklahoma. Like I said before, come closer to me, and see how seismic eruptions occur. Shall I pull the trigger?
 
I'll do you one better. I will file a lawsuit against those who are fracking, and in my backyard, there will be a listening ear. Take your chances. Shall I pull the trigger? Or will you folks admit that what you did was wrong? And you knew about it.

Too late. The trigger has been pulled.
 
1750Texan said:
It is not the entry into the ground that is believed to cause the tremors, it is the injecting of fracking waste water under pressure deep into the ground for storage that is believed to cause the shaking.
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Interesting, I still do need more information, this is all theory right (the belief that the fracking waste causes shaking)?
 
Millions of gallons of water.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Interesting, I still do need more information, this is all theory right (the belief that the fracking waste causes shaking)?
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It's not theory when you have seen it happen again and again. At some point theory becomes scientific fact, and hey, those are people's houses that are being torn apart by this theory.
 
Raven1 said:
It's not theory when you have seen it happen again and again. At some point theory becomes scientific fact, and hey, those are people's houses that are being torn apart by this theory.
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That's dangerous thinking, if we just stopped fracking operations to test out if the theory is correct our supply of natural gas, coal, etc. will stagger. And we would have to stop the operations for a while to observe and collect data and hypothesize and then finally make a conclusion, and if we make a wrong conclusion then earthquakes would continue and we'd be none the wiser. If we make no conclusion because it is still unclear we would have stopped operations and people out of jobs for no reason.

Those are just two ways as to why this thinking is dangerous, you have to think about the economic aspect mainly and you also have to realize that to test out and prove this theory will not be quick.

For something to be realized as a scientific fact doesn't involve a one minute process you realize right?
 
ocean515 said:
Considering the technique of fracking has been around for at least 65 years, I suggest there has been quite a bit of jumping to conclusions going on in the past few years.
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Dude! Turn a light on.

More Evidence Shows Drilling Causes Earthquakes

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-01/more-evidence-that-fracking-causes-earthquakes

Confirmed: Fracking practices to blame for Ohio earthquakes (note the word CONFIRMED)

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...-practices-blame-ohio-earthquakes-f8C11073601

Scientists Warn of Quake Risk From Fracking Operations

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...-warn-of-quake-risk-from-fracking-operations/

More Scientific Evidence Linking Fracking and Earthquakes

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...vidence-Linking-Fracking-and-Earthquakes.html
 
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Montecresto said:
Dude! Turn a light on.

More Evidence Shows Drilling Causes Earthquakes

More Evidence Shows Drilling Causes Earthquakes - Businessweek

Confirmed: Fracking practices to blame for Ohio earthquakes
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Uh-huh. Confirmed. Not even the US Geological Survey, or the folks who got their stuff published in Geology make such claims.

Perhaps when those with an agenda are eliminated from influencing the reviews, a better understanding of the process would emerge. As it is now, the agenda is not being driven by science as much as ideology.
 
ocean515 said:
Uh-huh. Confirmed. Not even the US Geological Survey, or the folks who got their stuff published in Geology make such claims.

Perhaps when those with an agenda are eliminated from influencing the reviews, a better understanding of the process would emerge. As it is now, the agenda is not being driven by science as much as ideology.
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Post 65 wasn't complete. Anyway, only foolish people think that those with environmental concerns have agenda. Unless, wanting, clean air, clean water, stabile ground, and temperate climates is an agenda.
 
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Montecresto said:
Post 65 wasn't complete. Anyway, only foolish people think that those with environmental concerns have agenda. Unless, wanting, clean air, clean water, stabile ground, and temperate climates is an agenda.
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LOL

Tired hyperbole is rather pointless. Perhaps Enviros could refrain from comments that vaporize all credibility. It's actually rather insulting, but does prove how empty the religion is.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

Tired hyperbole is rather pointless. Perhaps Enviros could refrain from comments that vaporize all credibility. It's actually rather insulting, but does prove how empty the religion is.
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Hyperbole, I'm glad your not in charge of anything important. Thankfully, people with sound mines are paying attention, pressure is mounting AGAINST the practice of fracturing our sub surfaces.
 
Warwulf said:
If fracking is the culprit in Oklahoma, then why are “regions that are hotbeds of fracking activity, such as North Dakota,” not “experiencing Oklahoma’s seismic spike”?
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One obvious possibility is that the geology of ND is somehow different than that of OK.

I have a friend who is a geologist. He says that there's not enough info to say for certain that the AR earthquakes were caused by fracking.
Apparently, in the past few years we have greatly increased the number of seismological monitoring stations, so you can't just compare old data to to new.

He also said that there's no enough data to rule out that fracking caused the earthquakes either.

Here, we all noted that the AR earthquakes started when the fracking here started and then stopped when the fracking stopped.
That's enough reason to suspect fracking as the cause, imho.
 
Montecresto said:
Hyperbole, I'm glad your not in charge of anything important. Thankfully, people with sound mines are paying attention, pressure is mounting AGAINST the practice of fracturing our sub surfaces.
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One thing you got correct. People with sound minds are paying attention. That's why the enviro cultists are being ignored. Enough of the foolishness and insulting hyperbole from the halls of the religion.

Consider your post. You claimed the relationship between fracking and earthquakes was CONFIRMED. That is lie and you know it. If lack of credibility is a goal, it has been achieved.
 
ocean515 said:
One thing you got correct. People with sound minds are paying attention. That's why the enviro cultists are being ignored. Enough of the foolishness and insulting hyperbole from the halls of the religion.

Consider your post. You claimed the relationship between fracking and earthquakes was CONFIRMED. That is lie and you know it. If lack of credibility is a goal, it has been achieved.
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No, it is NBC reporting confirmed science. Confirmed: Fracking practices to blame for Ohio earthquakes - NBC News
 
ocean515 said:
No, it's NBC joining in the lie. The USGS has not confirmed the connection. It's in their report. Again, it would probably be best for enviros to stop the lies and the 3rd grade hyperbole. It most certainly is not helping spread the religion.
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They're all out to git me with their lies!

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Science that concludes things I don't like are lies lies lies!!!
 
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