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Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.[W:351]

Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Actually, I just looked these two guys up, they both have 100% credibility, on THIS issue, McCain for sponsoring a bill that required following the army's field guide to interrogation techniques, and Graham for sponsoring it.

Good. That's one thing at least I agree with the Senators from AZ and NC over.
 
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They switched biographers because of Mickey speaking about this to others. Not because his writing skills, it was near the end of it when they switched. You can chose not to believe him, but his statement along with PNAC's paper, a Bush cabinet meeting on invading Iraq two weeks into his presidency, his immideate use of 9/11 as impetus to invade Iraq, all connected draw a straight line, as I see it.

The switch was not made because he was speaking about his work with others. It's very clear that was not the case. Obviously, if there is a hint of truth to Kos's post, it was a good decision, given the size of the chip on Mickey's shoulder.

As to straight lines, sometimes they are only as straight as the twists and turns one must ignore to see them.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

You must be joking! Talk about not being aware what's going on! The moron in the White House treats our allies like crap and kneels before our enemies. That's why and where we've lost influence.

Hopefully you guys get one of yours (establishment GOPer) back in next time and I'll be pointing out the same things to you nevertheless.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

America, i. e. the people never had any power. Only the corporate-backed US govt. has power, which, as the Taliban has successfully demonstrated, is largely a facade.

I won't be disagreeing with that.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

The switch was not made because he was speaking about his work with others. It's very clear that was not the case. Obviously, if there is a hint of truth to Kos's post, it was a good decision, given the size of the chip on Mickey's shoulder.

As to straight lines, sometimes they are only as straight as the twists and turns one must ignore to see them.

If you would have read the entire story, you would have learned that the replacement biographer said Mickey told him about it as well, and knew it to be true.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

If you would have read the entire story, you would have learned that the replacement biographer said Mickey told him about it as well, and knew it to be true.

Yea, Mickey told him about it. Got it.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Yea, Mickey told him about it. Got it.

You can keep your head under the covers or in the waves, its no skin off my back. One thing is certain, George Bush caused the US the loss of much credibility for attacking a country that had no connection to 9/11, but claiming that it did. Russia and China's surges in militarization followed on the heels of that, and they won't be letting up. The US has shown the world that it can and will abuse its power, but that's going to be a little more difficult going forward.


It is clear that, even before 9/11, President Bush wanted Saddam Hussein out of power. President Clinton wanted Saddam Hussein out of power. But President Bush wanted it more, and in a more aggressive form. He said several times during the presidential campaign that he wanted Saddam Hussein out of power. He allied himself with people who thought that his father had made a mistake in not sending American troops during the first Gulf war onto Baghdad to take out Saddam Hussein.

Bob Woodward
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Hopefully you guys get one of yours (establishment GOPer) back in next time and I'll be pointing out the same things to you nevertheless.

Establishment GOPer is not one of mine.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

You can keep your head under the covers or in the waves, its no skin off my back. One thing is certain, George Bush caused the US the loss of much credibility for attacking a country that had no connection to 9/11, but claiming that it did. Russia and China's surges in militarization followed on the heels of that, and they won't be letting up. The US has shown the world that it can and will abuse its power, but that's going to be a little more difficult going forward.


It is clear that, even before 9/11, President Bush wanted Saddam Hussein out of power. President Clinton wanted Saddam Hussein out of power. But President Bush wanted it more, and in a more aggressive form. He said several times during the presidential campaign that he wanted Saddam Hussein out of power. He allied himself with people who thought that his father had made a mistake in not sending American troops during the first Gulf war onto Baghdad to take out Saddam Hussein.

Bob Woodward

I'm familiar with all the memes that have been spread by those with an agenda. As to covers, perhaps dependence on "axes to grind" suggests the covers may be over someone else's head.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

I'm familiar with all the memes that have been spread by those with an agenda. As to covers, perhaps dependence on "axes to grind" suggests the covers may be over someone else's head.

Woodward has an agenda, lol. He too is quite the equal opportunity critic, no president has been immune to it. Just turn the light back off dude.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Woodward has an agenda, lol. He too is quite the equal opportunity critic, no president has been immune to it. Just turn the light back off dude.

Lights been on for a long time, dude. Perhaps you should exercise a bit more scrutiny to where you plug in yours.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Lights been on for a long time, dude. Perhaps you should exercise a bit more scrutiny to where you plug in yours.

So considering Woodward's harsh criticisms of democratic presidents, you can't frame him as agenda driven, so just ignore that part.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

So considering Woodward's harsh criticisms of democratic presidents, you can't frame him as agenda driven, so just ignore that part.

I haven't ignored anything. I find it amusing criticism of a President from another political party automatically qualifies someone as being unassailable. Interesting standard.

Must be off. Thanks for the exchange.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

I haven't ignored anything. I find it amusing criticism of a President from another political party automatically qualifies someone as being unassailable. Interesting standard.

Must be off. Thanks for the exchange.

Be careful out there, its a dangerous world.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

3,000 Americans wouldn't have died if the bumkin-in-chief fired a neuron or two and intercepted the off-course airliners in time.

Even the crappiest Third World militaries in the world could've handled a 9-11 type situation (i. e. by simply firing a SAM at the airliners). gwb just couldn't differentiate between his cranium and anus.

This posting is so full of ****, it could fertilizer an acre of crops.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

3,000 Americans wouldn't have died if the bumkin-in-chief fired a neuron or two and intercepted the off-course airliners in time.

Even the crappiest Third World militaries in the world could've handled a 9-11 type situation (i. e. by simply firing a SAM at the airliners). gwb just couldn't differentiate between his cranium and anus.

Americans wouod have still died. Your comments are idiotic on an epic scale.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

It's very telling...lol!

This is why they are best as repeating scripts from others and attacking conservatives. You dont want to hear what they come up with.

Whats funny is in the context of this thread topic-the criticism of Clinton was always that he could have done something but did not.
Clinton loudly argued against this-not wanting his legacy tarnished-but now we find out (in his own words!) that the criticism was dead on correct.
 
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That's it. Everything else is speculation, and if the US actually had a Pres at the time whose brainpower even slightly exceeded that of an average 3 y/o, the attacking planes would've been intercepted and shot down.

I seriously doubt it.

Because of the over down sizing of our military during the Clinton administration, there weren't enough aircraft to protect the CONUS air space.

It's the Air National Guard who's respobsiable for the CONUS air defense not the Air Force.

And when Air Force aircraft were scrambbled to intercept one of the hijacked aircraft, it was unarmed.

On 9-11-01 the state of California had one F-16 ANG squdron to defend the entire state of California and that squdron is based in northern California. The ANG couldn't even put up a CAP (combat air patrol) over Los Angeles or San Diego or over any place over SoCal.

The rest of the country had the same problems.

So how did the Bush administration respond with Clinton's military ?

In California, President Bush ordered the 3rd MAW based at MCAS Marimar (near San Diego) to provide a CAP over SoCal. Now that's not the job of the Marine Corps, Marine combat aircraft main mission is supporting the Marine rifleman, not doing Air Force or ANG stuff. But they were able to put a CAP over SoCal.

Now there was an aircraft carrier tied up to the North Island NAS in San Diego which Bush ordered to put to sea. The carrier was able to get underway and was at sea by sun down. (Could you see any of our carriers tied up in port today being able to put to sea under Obama's PC Navy ? :lamo) But the carriers Air Wing isn't based with in 500 miles of San Diego, they are based in northern Nevada and northern California. So they had to fly 600 miles to the carrier that was off the SoCal coast.

But with in 48 hours after the second plane hit the WTC, the Navy had it's FA-18's in the air providing a CAP over California.

What about all of those Air Force (not ANG) F-15's and F-16's we use to see flying over California before the Clinton administration ? Well most of those squdrons were deactivated, remember the liberals wanted a "peace devedend" after the Cold War. And all of those Air Force bases that had fighters were deactived, closed under BRAC during the Clinton administration. The same was true all over America including in the north east.

President Bush and his administration gets an "A" for it's response to 9-11.
 
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This is why they are best as repeating scripts from others and attacking conservatives. You dont want to hear what they come up with.

Whats funny is in the context of this thread topic-the criticism of Clinton was always that he could have done something but did not.
Clinton loudly argued against this-not wanting his legacy tarnished-but now we find out (in his own words!) that the criticism was dead on correct.

I'm most amazed at how they cling to the idiotic idea that shooting down the high-jacked aircraft was an option. Worse than that, they actually believe it was a solution.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

I'm most amazed at how they cling to the idiotic idea that shooting down the high-jacked aircraft was an option. Worse than that, they actually believe it was a solution.

And then without batting an eye they will tell you 9/11 was Bush's fault. Implying he knew exactly what was going to happen and how-and his ineptitude allowed it to happen. Clinton good. Bush bad.

Its an intellectually lazy solution that allows them to continue living the lie. Its not about the truth or reality, its about what feels good.
 
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