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Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.[W:351]

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Texmex said:
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Bush fixed the terrorists by invading the wrong country. Typical Bush, what a moron!
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Bush was just following the Iraq Liberation Act that Clinton signed into law.

Clinton had eight years to take care of the Hussein problem and he failed.

Between 1990 to 9-11-01 who was considered the evilest man in the world ? Saddam Hussein. How many times did Saddam appear on South Park ?
 
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APACHERAT said:
Bush was just following the Iraq Liberation Act that Clinton signed into law.

Clinton had eight years to take care of the Hussein problem and he failed.

Between 1990 to 9-11-01 who was considered the evilest man in the world ? Saddam Hussein. How many times did Saddam appear on South Park ?
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Hop, skip and jump around it all you want, but Bush invaded the wrong country! He lied about the reasons and then he ****ed up the war he started. Again, Bush is a ****ing moron!
 
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Oh no, nothing at all wrong with invading Iraq and getting rid of Saddam. Post 9/11, the rules changed. Now we couldn't sit back and wait, we needed preemptive action.
 
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Montecresto said:
You seem to miss two points, one my criticisms of Obama's administration should clue you that I'm no liberal, and two, the comments are Mickey Herskowitz's, not the Kos! Mickey is a Jewish author, Houston Chronicle journalist and a long time Bush family friend.
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Perhaps, but according to the story, he was removed from the book project because they didn't like the way he was doing his job. Obviously, no chip on his shoulder as a result of that. Then throw in how he references Bush's "handlers" and it pretty clear what he's doing.

As to cluing in to something, consider the fact Heskowitz's blather appeared in Kos, a pathetic Progressive website that spreads hate and lies about anyone who doesn't toe the company line, and nothing more needs to be said.
 
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APACHERAT said:
Nothing new here, anyone who read the 9-11 Commission Report already knows that Clinton had a chance to get Bin Laden but passed on it.

Clinton's anti-terrorist policy was that terrorism was not a national security issue but a law enforcement issue.

When G.W. Bush became POTUS he stuck with Clinton's failed terrorist polices. But after 9-11-01 Bush didn't spend eight years blaming Clinton failed couner terrorist policies.

What the article left out, while blowing up an aspirin factory Clinton also blew up the Chinese Embassy. :lamo
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Actually, while this isn't new -- all of this was in the 9-11 Commission Report and also mentioned in Richard Clarke's book, "Against all Enemies," your spin in completely off-base. Clinton DID take terrorism seriously and requested to raise the intelligence budget, as the Congressional Record confirms. In fact, Richard Clarke, who worked in the WH for every president from Reagan to Bush, said that Clinton would have been more likely to prevent the 9/11 attacks than Bush.

"In December 1999" said Clarke, "every day or every other day, the head of the FBI and the head of the CIA and the attorney general had to go to the White House and sit in a meeting and report on all the things they personally had done to stop the al Qaeda attack."

He said the meetings forced Clinton officials to return to their agencies and "shake the trees" for evidence of the plot. In the months before Sept. 11, however, Clarke said Bush did nothing similar.

If Bush had followed the Clinton model, said Clarke, "we might have found out in the White House . . . that there were al Qaeda operatives in the United States" training for the 9/11 attacks.
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Within days of the US African embassy bombings, the US permanently stations two submarines, reportedly in the Indian Ocean, ready to hit al-Qaeda with cruise missiles on short notice. Missiles are fired from these subs later in the month in a failed attempt to assassinate bin Laden. Six to ten hours’ advance warning is now needed to review the decision, program the cruise missiles, and have them reach their target. However, in every rare opportunity when the possibility of attacking bin Laden occurs, CIA Director Tenet says the information is not reliable enough and the attack cannot go forward. [Washington Post, 12/19/2001; New York Times, 12/30/2001] At some point in 2000, the submarines are withdrawn, apparently because the Navy wants to use them for other purposes. Therefore, when the unmanned Predator spy plane flies over Afghanistan in late 2000 and identifies bin Laden, there is no way to capitalize on that opportunity. [Clarke, 2004, pp. 220-21] The Bush administration fails to resume the submarine patrol. Lacking any means to attack bin Laden, military plans to strike at him are no longer updated after March 2001. [9/11 Commission, 3/24/2004]
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One doesn't send submarines if one thinks "terrorism was not a national security issue but a law enforcement issue."
 
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ocean515 said:
Perhaps, but according to the story, he was removed from the book project because they didn't like the way he was doing his job. Obviously, no chip on his shoulder as a result of that. Then throw in how he references Bush's "handlers" and it pretty clear what he's doing.

As to cluing in to something, consider the fact Heskowitz's blather appeared in Kos, a pathetic Progressive website that spreads hate and lies about anyone who doesn't toe the company line, and nothing more needs to be said.
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They switched biographers because of Mickey speaking about this to others. Not because his writing skills, it was near the end of it when they switched. You can chose not to believe him, but his statement along with PNAC's paper, a Bush cabinet meeting on invading Iraq two weeks into his presidency, his immideate use of 9/11 as impetus to invade Iraq, all connected draw a straight line, as I see it.
 
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Montecresto said:
They switched biographers because of Mickey speaking about this to others. Not because his writing skills, it was near the end of it when they switched. You can chose not to believe him, but his statement along with PNAC's paper, a Bush cabinet meeting on invading Iraq two weeks into his presidency, his immideate use of 9/11 as impetus to invade Iraq, all connected draw a straight line, as I see it.
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So what if they talked about invading Iraq? It's called being prepared. What if something happened, other than 9/11, and the solution was to invade Iraq? And they were unprepared? What would the left be saying then? I can see it now...

"Oh, these guys are idiots, they should have seen this coming." "Clinton always talked about removing Saddam, at least he would have beeen ready for this."

Now, if you tell me they had priority plans to invade Canada, then I might think they were a little off. Plans to Invade Iraq? He's doing his job.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
It doesn't matter. At the time, Bin Laden was the head of the organization that attacked us on 9/11. You can't really say what the effect that would of had on the organization in terms of morale, if the top guy is taken out.
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How many times has the West killed the #1 guy in a terrorist organization?
 
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Anthony60 said:
So what if they talked about invading Iraq? It's called being prepared. What if something happened, other than 9/11, and the solution was to invade Iraq? And they were unprepared? What would the left be saying then? I can see it now...

"Oh, these guys are idiots, they should have seen this coming." "Clinton always talked about removing Saddam, at least he would have beeen ready for this."

Now, if you tell me they had priority plans to invade Canada, then I might think they were a little off. Plans to Invade Iraq? He's doing his job.
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Well this is certainly why America's power is declining. Abuse.
 
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MTAtech said:
Actually, while this isn't new -- all of this was in the 9-11 Commission Report and also mentioned in Richard Clarke's book, "Against all Enemies," your spin in completely off-base. Clinton DID take terrorism seriously and requested to raise the intelligence budget, as the Congressional Record confirms. In fact, Richard Clarke, who worked in the WH for every president from Reagan to Bush, said that Clinton would have been more likely to prevent the 9/11 attacks than Bush.

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What would have Clinton have done differently ?

Start enforcing our immigration laws by deporting all illegal aliens ? All except one of the 9-11 terrorist were illegal aliens.

Would Clinton have denounced political correctness and encouraged profiling of individuals ? The 9-11 Commission pointed out that it was political correctness that allowed the terrorist to board those planes on that morning on 9-11-01.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Oh, being prepared and doing your due diligence is abuse? I think not.
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I think when you finally pull your head out and have a look around, you'll notice that that is what's got other world powers calling bull**** and pushing back on us for. And is the reason in the US's declining influence globally. This isn't going to change either.
 
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Montecresto said:
I think when you finally pull your head out and have a look around, you'll notice that that is what's got other world powers calling bull**** and pushing back on us for. And is the reason in the US's declining influence globally. This isn't going to change either.
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Who is pushing back and calling bull****?
 
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Grant said:
Who is pushing back and calling bull****?
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Yeah, I understand you don't get this, though I've explained it multiple times. Think China and Russia.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
While I can understand why he didn't at the time, I doubt if knowing now what he did then if he'd pass up the opportunity.
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That wasn't his only opportunity.
 
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Montecresto said:
I think when you finally pull your head out and have a look around, you'll notice that that is what's got other world powers calling bull**** and pushing back on us for. And is the reason in the US's declining influence globally. This isn't going to change either.
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You must be joking! Talk about not being aware what's going on! The moron in the White House treats our allies like crap and kneels before our enemies. That's why and where we've lost influence.
 
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APACHERAT said:
Nothing new here, anyone who read the 9-11 Commission Report already knows that Clinton had a chance to get Bin Laden but passed on it.

Clinton's anti-terrorist policy was that terrorism was not a national security issue but a law enforcement issue.

When G.W. Bush became POTUS he stuck with Clinton's failed terrorist polices. But after 9-11-01 Bush didn't spend eight years blaming Clinton failed couner terrorist policies.
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clinton's foreign policy (w/the possible exception of the Haiti intervention), was horrible;

however, gwb was a complete disaster who failed at all aspects of foreign policy leadership, including the simplest one--defending the US mainland from a low-tech attack.
 
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APACHERAT said:
What would have Clinton have done differently ?

Start enforcing our immigration laws by deporting all illegal aliens ? All except one of the 9-11 terrorist were illegal aliens.

Would Clinton have denounced political correctness and encouraged profiling of individuals ? The 9-11 Commission pointed out that it was political correctness that allowed the terrorist to board those planes on that morning on 9-11-01.
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Deportation would not be conducive to preventing 9/11. But ensuring passport security would have.
 
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Luftwaffe said:
Crazy huh, to be put in such a terrible situation of "this versus that, and oh, by the way, no matter which choice you choose you're probably going to have a huge plummet in popularity because if you kill Osama Bin Laden and 300 innocent people everyone's going to call you a murderer since 9/11 didn't happen and people weren't paranoid. If you Don't kill Osama Bin Laden everyone is going to hate you because 9/11 will have happened."

My question is, did he know that Osama Bin Laden was planning such an attack on the Twin Towers? How could he have known, for all he knew he could have killed 300 innocent beings to get a guy who would only go to suicide bomb 15 civilians.

There was no information, and because of that, I just can't have anything against Clinton in that regard, I simply cannot hold anything against him, as terrible as 9/11 was no one could have known.
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There's zero evidence that bin laden was in any way involved in 9-11. The US govt. only claims he orchestrated the attack, but that's unsubstantiated.

The only known facts on 9-11 are that two commercial airliners (supposedly piloted by radical Muslim terrorists) crashed in the WTC towers and subsequently caused them to collapse.

That's it. Everything else is speculation, and if the US actually had a Pres at the time whose brainpower even slightly exceeded that of an average 3 y/o, the attacking planes would've been intercepted and shot down.

But, alas. . .

George W. Bush Reads 'My Pet Goat' in 'Fahrenheit 9/11' on Vimeo
 
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apdst said:
Who's to say 300 people would have died? What waa he going to do, carpet bomb the place?

Let us know if you think those 300 terrorists and terrorist supporters were worth 3,000 Americans.
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3,000 Americans wouldn't have died if the bumkin-in-chief fired a neuron or two and intercepted the off-course airliners in time.

Even the crappiest Third World militaries in the world could've handled a 9-11 type situation (i. e. by simply firing a SAM at the airliners). gwb just couldn't differentiate between his cranium and anus.
 
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Montecresto said:
Well this is certainly why America's power is declining. Abuse.
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America, i. e. the people never had any power. Only the corporate-backed US govt. has power, which, as the Taliban has successfully demonstrated, is largely a facade.
 
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Anthony60 said:
You must be joking! Talk about not being aware what's going on! The moron in the White House treats our allies like crap and kneels before our enemies. That's why and where we've lost influence.
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Who's "We"? You, the American person, don't have any influence at all.

The gov't doesn't answer to you; it answers only to its corporate sponsors, who (thankfully) are having their Third-World exploitative objectives squashed all over the place :)
 
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APACHERAT said:
Bush was just following the Iraq Liberation Act that Clinton signed into law.

Clinton had eight years to take care of the Hussein problem and he failed.

Between 1990 to 9-11-01 who was considered the evilest man in the world ?
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I believe then it was still Jeffrey Dahmer, though in recent years he's been eclipsed.
 
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solletica said:
3,000 Americans wouldn't have died if the bumkin-in-chief fired a neuron or two and intercepted the off-course airliners in time.

Even the crappiest Third World militaries in the world could've handled a 9-11 type situation (i. e. by simply firing a SAM at the airliners). gwb just couldn't differentiate between his cranium and anus.
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This is off topic, but I believe we did shoot down flight 93, in Shanksville, PA. And by we, I mean Cheney. He gave the command to shoot down any aircraft that didn't respond to attempts to contact. The whole story about the heroic passengers forcing a crash, sounds identical to the bs stories about Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch before the truth came out.
 
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