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Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.[W:351]

Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

VanceMack said:
What is the kill rate of targets to civilians even using drones?
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Using drones compared to...what? Small arms weapons fire? Air-to-ground airship raids on ground targets? Guided missile strikes from fighter jets? Cruise missiles launched from surface/sub-surface vessels? You gotta give me something more to work with here. But...

Since I don't work for the DoD, I wouldn't have those numbers anyway. Regardless, I'm sure any kill rate wouldn't include the death toll for leveling an entire city compared to an urban warfare battle between allied and enemy forces.
 
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Montecresto said:
Well, particularly not today, with the release of the minority report. Was great to see Lindsey Graham and John McCain doing their about face today in so harshly criticizing the Bush administrations torture program.
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:eek: They did what? Oh, you gotta post a link to that article/video. That I have to see for myself.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

If anything it says that Clinton is a better person than Bin Laden, and I am glad he said those words as an American leader. It would be hard be president and make decisions to kill civilians. That's a lot to live with the rest of one's life. I would never want the job..

Van Basten said:
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Read the full story HERE.
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Objective Voice said:
Using drones compared to...what? Small arms weapons fire? Air-to-ground airship raids on ground targets? Guided missile strikes from fighter jets? Cruise missiles launched from surface/sub-surface vessels? You gotta give me something more to work with here. But...

Since I don't work for the DoD, I wouldn't have those numbers anyway. Regardless, I'm sure any kill rate wouldn't include the death toll for leveling an entire city compared to an urban warfare battle between allied and enemy forces.
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If you are those civilians killed in collateral damage...do ya REALLY think they are grateful that it was from a drone strike and not say...a cruise missile?

For the record I support Obamas use of drones. Thats not the point. Its rather hypocritical to say Yeah...that ol Clinton guy...he was right to not target Osama because he could have killed civilians and then in the same breath support drone strikes which have killed 2400 civilians. Which of course says nothing about the civilians killed in the Clinton attacks on Iraq during the 1998/1999 bombing raids.
 
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No... WGBush spend eight years blamed 9/11 on Saddam.

APACHERAT said:
Nothing new here, anyone who read the 9-11 Commission Report already knows that Clinton had a chance to get Bin Laden but passed on it.

Clinton's anti-terrorist policy was that terrorism was not a national security issue but a law enforcement issue.

When G.W. Bush became POTUS he stuck with Clinton's failed terrorist polices. But after 9-11-01 Bush didn't spend eight years blaming Clinton failed couner terrorist policies.

What the article left out, while blowing up an aspirin factory Clinton also blew up the Chinese Embassy. :lamo
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ocean515 said:
Do you have a link? I can't find reference to any of these statements you've posted.
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Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.

"He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: `One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, `My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, `If I have a chance to invade....if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency."


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/28/65972/-Bush-s-biographer-Bush-planned-war-before-9-11
 
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Anthony60 said:
Well, he sure came through on that one. His dad was only allowed to expel the Iraqis from Kuwait, he couldn't go get him in Baghdad. GW made sure that he got rid of him, and his rancid sons. Good riddance.
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Well then, clearly the point escaped you.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

VanceMack said:
If you are those civilians killed in collateral damage...do ya REALLY think they are grateful that it was from a drone strike and not say...a cruise missile?

For the record I support Obamas use of drones. Thats not the point. Its rather hypocritical to say Yeah...that ol Clinton guy...he was right to not target Osama because he could have killed civilians and then in the same breath support drone strikes which have killed 2400 civilians. Which of course says nothing about the civilians killed in the Clinton attacks on Iraq during the 1998/1999 bombing raids.
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Oh, I agree with you. Hence, the reason I stated I struggle with this issue often. But in the grand scheme of things in this "US -vs- THEM" war, I'd rather drone strikes be used to kill our enemies than to put our men and women in uniform in harms way. Of course, it's true that the further away from the battlefield you are the more desensitized you become. So...
 
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iguanaman said:
They died in Bush's invasion to get Saddam and you should know that. Treating all those American deaths and injuries lightly is sickening but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
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Let me clear this up for you. They didn't die in "Bush's invasion to get Saddam." They died as brave defenders of freedom, doing what they wanted to do to defend this country and the people that they fought with.

Yes, so is treating the brave sacrifice that they made to protect our nation as nothing more than being thrown to their deaths by the President is offensive. You (inc the Democrats) use their deaths for political gain, and that, is truly sickening.
 
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SheWolf said:
No... WGBush spend eight years blamed 9/11 on Saddam.
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You know that's an right out lie.

G.W. Bush didn't blame anyone. He's from the private sector where the rule is, when there's a problem, fix it don't look for someone to blame instead.
 
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Objective Voice said:
:eek: They did what? Oh, you gotta post a link to that article/video. That I have to see for myself.
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Yeah, I'm on the road right now but was listening to POTUS on satellite radio, both of them were HUGELY critical of Bush's torture program, McCain even said, when you torture people, they just tell you what you want to hear so you'll stop. And he added, any small amount of solid info we got wasn't worth violating the Geneva Convention and loosing global credibility as we did!!
 
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Anthony60 said:
Oh, I assure you, it did not. Perhaps mine escaped you though?
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Not in the least. Your justification of Bush's plans for war with Iraq while he was yet governor was apparent.
 
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Montecresto said:
Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.

"He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: `One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, `My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, `If I have a chance to invade....if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency."


Bush's biographer: Bush planned war before 9/11!!
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That's it? :shock:

A link to hearsay posted on one of the most vile Progressive Websites on the internet? Dang, talk about misrepresentation of facts. Ridiculous.
 
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Montecresto said:
Not in the least. Your justification of Bush's plans for war with Iraq while he was yet governor was apparent.
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If he even said that, which is fine if he did. He said that if he got the chance, he would get rid of Saddam, something wrong there? So you think, given the chance, he should have left him in power?
 
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APACHERAT said:
You know that's an right out lie.

G.W. Bush didn't blame anyone. He's from the private sector where the rule is, when there's a problem, fix it don't look for someone to blame instead.
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You forgot the rest of the rule, which is "and don't ever accept the blame for anything even when it is painfully obvious that it's your fault, no matter how many people were harmed or killed because of what you did."
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Yeah, I'm on the road right now but was listening to POTUS on satellite radio, both of them were HUGELY critical of Bush's torture program, McCain even said, when you torture people, they just tell you what you want to hear so you'll stop. And he added, any small amount of solid info we got wasn't worth violating the Geneva Convention and loosing global credibility as we did!!
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There was no torture program until the left decided that waterboarding fell under torture. McCain's a great patriot as a soldier, and idiot in Congress. Terrorist are specifically excluded from the Geneva Convention, so another one down the drain there.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
You forgot the rest of the rule, which is "and don't ever accept the blame for anything even when it is painfully obvious that it's your fault, no matter how many people were harmed or killed because of what you did."
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I never heard of that rule before until Obama became POTUS. :lamo
 
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ocean515 said:
That's it? :shock:

A link to hearsay posted on one of the most vile Progressive Websites on the internet? Dang, talk about misrepresentation of facts. Ridiculous.
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Yes, strictly speaking, that is hearsay...but then there's the documented fact that ten days after Dubya took his first Oath of Office - over seven months before 9/11 - he held his very first cabinet meeting. And what was the subject of that cabinet meeting? The invasion of Iraq.

Hmmm...maybe you don't detect - or, more likely, refuse to detect - the stench of last week's fish in the claim that Dubya didn't want to finish what Daddy left undone.

Do you really think that we Americans are immune to military adventurism, especially given that we have a preponderance of the military might in this world?
 
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Montecresto said:
Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.

"He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: `One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, `My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, `If I have a chance to invade....if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency."


Bush's biographer: Bush planned war before 9/11!!
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He also talked about being a "war president" before 9/11....just waiting for the chance to find some excuse to attack Iraq. 9/11 was the perfect opportunity for GWB, Cheney, Rumsfield, and the rest of that neo-con administration, to pursue their decades old dream of attacking Iraq (incidentally, they couldn't convince HW Bush to do it....he was a little too smart for their ploys...had to wait for the figurehead to get into office).
 
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Objective Voice said:
Oh, I agree with you. Hence, the reason I stated I struggle with this issue often. But in the grand scheme of things in this "US -vs- THEM" war, I'd rather drone strikes be used to kill our enemies than to put our men and women in uniform in harms way. Of course, it's true that the further away from the battlefield you are the more desensitized you become. So...
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So...............stop supporting militant Islamic groups, only to choose to fight them latter. The drone strikes are killing "alleged" enemies, and huge numbers of civilians by comparison, they are unethical by most standards and illegal by many!
 
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Anthony60 said:
If he even said that, which is fine if he did. He said that if he got the chance, he would get rid of Saddam, something wrong there? So you think, given the chance, he should have left him in power?
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Your support of the misguided adventure in Iraq has clouded your judgement. Just as Bush's lust for war with Iraq clouded his judgement when viewing the tell tale warnings of AQ's imminent attack prior to 9/11.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

ocean515 said:
That's it? :shock:

A link to hearsay posted on one of the most vile Progressive Websites on the internet? Dang, talk about misrepresentation of facts. Ridiculous.
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Mickey Herskowitz TAPED this interview. Why does it matter who it is that posted the story.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Anthony60 said:
There was no torture program until the left decided that waterboarding fell under torture. McCain's a great patriot as a soldier, and idiot in Congress. Terrorist are specifically excluded from the Geneva Convention, so another one down the drain there.
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That's hilarious!!!! Your back must be aching bending into a pretzel to defend Bush's criminal activity. Puts you squarely into blame with him. You should try to find the press conference and listen to your right wing buddy's do a hatchet job on that criminal/Cheney program. Take a Valium first.
 
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disneydude said:
He also talked about being a "war president" before 9/11....just waiting for the chance to find some excuse to attack Iraq. 9/11 was the perfect opportunity for GWB, Cheney, Rumsfield, and the rest of that neo-con administration, to pursue their decades old dream of attacking Iraq (incidentally, they couldn't convince HW Bush to do it....he was a little too smart for their ploys...had to wait for the figurehead to get into office).
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Yes, in that link, he discusses the need to be Commander in Chief, not just president. One way or another, come hell or high water, either one, the Bush administration would have its war with Iraq, had 9/11 attacks never happened.
 
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