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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Better than fledgling democracy with human rights and desperately re-growing the social capital (critical free thinking professionals) that Saddam obliterated.
    Dictators tend to become heavy handed but as far as heavy handed dictators... you think Saddam was that bad? Iraq was about the only place where women could go to school in the middle east. I think the other countries in that region were far worse than his. Not that I endorse that dick... but he was better than the Taliban countries and Saudi Arabia for sure. Don't know much about the country now but in-fighting under a dictator is usually suppressed rather quickly at least providing a modicum of stability in a ****ty country.
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yeah, Clinton could have offed Osama, yet he chose not to. The real truth is we could have killed his evil ads numerous times, however we chose not to.

    I think the most ironic thing about Osama is that we helped his pun ads during the Afghan/Soviet war and he attacks us? If it wasn't go the US and our aid - him and his little gang would have been slaughtered in the 80's by the Soviets.
    And the Soviet expansion would have continued into the ME. Why do you think they invested so much into Afghanistan?

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Dictators tend to become heavy handed but as far as heavy handed dictators... you think Saddam was that bad?
    Genocide, twice... 200k and 50k
    Institutionalized rape
    Intentional starvation... 400k
    17 unscrs violated
    Fake wmd program
    Invaded neighbors, twice... the war with Iran costing 500k Iraqis
    Countless mass killings
    Countless tortured to death

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Genocide, twice... 200k and 50k
    Institutionalized rape
    Intentional starvation... 400k
    17 unscrs violated
    Fake wmd program
    Invaded neighbors, twice... the war with Iran costing 500k Iraqis
    Countless mass killings
    Countless tortured to death
    I don't know anything about the institutionalized rape thing... haven't heard about that. But the whole middle east is awash in screwing over women with genital mutilation and severe oppression unlike anywhere else and women generally had it better in Iraq than their neighbors.

    the slaughters/genocides... I recall the them where it was pretty much due to self preservation after the gulf war where we obliterated his defenses and there was an uprising to take him down. Not an excuse for what he did but just a realization of what was going on.

    Saddam was our bitch... a bitch which we encouraged to invade Iran.

    He was a heavy handed dictator so torture seems to come with that territory. Idi Amin anyone?
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I don't know anything about the institutionalized rape thing... haven't heard about that.
    Under Saddam, women were sentenced, in court, to gang rape to be carried out by his cronies (generally for "false" claims of rape). He also permitted his sons and other officials to kidnap and rape young women at will, they were passed down the ranks and then killed. You never heard of his rape palaces?

    the slaughters/genocides... I recall the them where it was pretty much due to self preservation after the gulf war where we obliterated his defenses and there was an uprising to take him down.
    The Marsh Arabs were in no position to 'take him down'. They rebelled. He drained their land, destroying the marshland and killing 50k. The genocide against the Kurds (200k) was in the late '80s.

    Saddam was our bitch... a bitch which we encouraged to invade Iran.
    I don't do female pejoratives. Good day.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 08-04-14 at 11:49 PM.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Under Saddam, women were sentenced, in court, to gang rape to be carried out by his cronies (generally for "false" claims of rape). He also permitted his sons and other officials to kidnap and rape young women at will, they were passed down the ranks and then killed. You never heard of his rape palaces?
    no. I have heard about the other countries where mercy killings were pretty much socially welcomed... where the woman gets raped then a family member kills her because the family is shamed at her being raped... all while the rapist is a-ok and left to his devices... or vices as it were.
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes the situation is even worse, having now removed in addition to Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and the attempts to remove president Assad.

    The lightning-fast march of a violent al-Qaeda splinter group through the heart of Iraq is not just one new slice of bad news from the Middle East. It is a defining moment that exposes more than a decade of failed U.S. policy and leaves the Obama administration with deeply disquieting choices.

    Iraq exposes failed U.S. policy: Our view


    If a single action accelerated the sectarian conflicts in the Middle East, it was the decision of the George W. Bush administration to topple Saddam Husseinís regime, dismantle all structures in which Sunnis had power and then hand over the Iraqi state to Shiite religious parties.

    Fareed Zakaria: U.S. fuel to the Middle East fire - The Washington Post
    Iraq began its downward slide when Obama removed the troops. He felt that Iraq was stable and could look after itself. This was one of the greatest international political errors since Chamberlain claimed 'we have peace in our time'.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Dictators tend to become heavy handed but as far as heavy handed dictators... you think Saddam was that bad? Iraq was about the only place where women could go to school in the middle east. I think the other countries in that region were far worse than his. Not that I endorse that dick... but he was better than the Taliban countries and Saudi Arabia for sure. Don't know much about the country now but in-fighting under a dictator is usually suppressed rather quickly at least providing a modicum of stability in a ****ty country.
    It's astounding how little understanding some people have of Saddam Hussein now that the history of the region is being rewritten. Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I don't know anything about the institutionalized rape thing... haven't heard about that. But the whole middle east is awash in screwing over women with genital mutilation and severe oppression unlike anywhere else and women generally had it better in Iraq than their neighbors.

    the slaughters/genocides... I recall the them where it was pretty much due to self preservation after the gulf war where we obliterated his defenses and there was an uprising to take him down. Not an excuse for what he did but just a realization of what was going on.

    Saddam was our bitch... a bitch which we encouraged to invade Iran.

    He was a heavy handed dictator so torture seems to come with that territory. Idi Amin anyone?
    You didn't know about the institutionalized rape? And you blame the US for the war between Iran and Iraq?

    What are they teaching you in your school?

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Dictators tend to become heavy handed but as far as heavy handed dictators... you think Saddam was that bad? Iraq was about the only place where women could go to school in the middle east. I think the other countries in that region were far worse than his. Not that I endorse that dick... but he was better than the Taliban countries and Saudi Arabia for sure. Don't know much about the country now but in-fighting under a dictator is usually suppressed rather quickly at least providing a modicum of stability in a ****ty country.
    Dictator appeaser.

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