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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You keep bringing up Bush. I have no interest in debating what Bush did. I asked him a question about something he posted about Clinton, not Bush. He is perfectly capable of answering my question himself. There is no "point" in what you keep posting to me. Thank you.
    Don't get your knickers knotted, he'll be back with the same answer soon.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Don't get your knickers knotted, he'll be back with the same answer soon.
    And hopefully he will answer the question, and not post about Bush, as you did. Bush wasn't President in 2000 and previously.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Two presidents one a hawkish Republican and the other a dovish Democrat have mostly made things worse.

    Before George W. Bush's 2003 invasion, there was no terrorist presence in Iraq. By needlessly invading on false premises...

    Iraq exposes failed U.S. policy: Our view
    Is that your thinking, that we invaded Iraq on the grounds that there were terrorists there? Because that was never my thinking at all. You know how 9/11 changed things, and we could no longer sit back and wait for things to happen to us?
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Is that your thinking, that we invaded Iraq on the grounds that there were terrorists there? Because that was never my thinking at all. You know how 9/11 changed things, and we could no longer sit back and wait for things to happen to us?
    Same old excuses. China and Russia have both blocked our further attempts of destabilization and presumably they will do so going forward.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ha, what a hypocritical comment. We all know you would never have given Obama a pass for saying something as foolish as Bush did, and his comment proves he saw no value in defeating AQ. Decades and multiple presidencies of support for militant Islamic groups (like Bush's support of MEK) is what has allowed them to strengthen. But blind and patronizing partisans are hypocrites by nature, and won't ever concede such and therefore we will only see them continue to strengthen.
    Bush was correct. Joe Biden said that Iraq was their greatest accomplishment, and then they made much political hay over them killing Osama bin Laden.

    But what good did it do apart from the political posturing it allowed?

    Bush had his eye on the bigger picture while Obama was all about photo ops, and still is.

    It's always amusing to hear from the 28% who still support Obama and Joe Biden.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Two presidents — one a hawkish Republican and the other a dovish Democrat — have mostly made things worse.
    In fact when Bush left office things were better in Iraq and any arriving terrorists were soon killed. Now, since Obama went against the Generals advice, Iraq is a mess, along with Syria, Libya, Palestine, and most of the Middle East.

    Before George W. Bush's 2003 invasion, there was no terrorist presence in Iraq, and the Busdhh administration even had the gall to take credit for it. By needlessly invading on false premises and in vain hope of installing a democracy, the U.S. destabilized the country and inspired a generation of enemies — at great cost in blood and treasure.
    Read this and see what you think. Revisionist History Prevails on Iraq Invasion - Victor Davis Hanson - Page full
    Obama inherited that mess, and by failing to bring Maliki into line deepened the problem. Now, with Obama's position further weakened by his equivocal response to atrocities in Syria, he's left with a bigger mess to clean up, one that demands fresh thinking about policies of war and peace that have failed so badly.
    Again, it was not a mess and Biden even tried to take credit for the accomplishment of Iraq. Watch Joe Biden Call Iraq "One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" | The Daily Caller

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The glaring lesson of the war is that American ground invasions destabilize the Middle East, instead of stabilizing it. The 100,000 Iraqis who perished, the 4,500 American soldiers killed and the $1 trillion spent should have halted what Tufts University professor Daniel W. Drezner has called the "creeping militarization of American foreign policy." Instead, the civilian American institutions that failed us before Iraq have grown even weaker.

    The Iraq Takeaway: American Ground Invasions Destabilize the Middle East - The Atlantic
    Do you sincerely believe that the Middle East was 'stable' at any time during your life time???

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Same old excuses. China and Russia have both blocked our further attempts of destabilization and presumably they will do so going forward.
    Was that supposed to be a reply to me? Doesn't seem to address my post at all.
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Same old excuses. China and Russia have both blocked our further attempts of destabilization and presumably they will do so going forward.
    How is it to America's advantage to 'destabilize' the Middle East?

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you sincerely believe that the Middle East was 'stable' at any time during your life time???
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Same old excuses. China and Russia have both blocked our further attempts of destabilization and presumably they will do so going forward.
    They may have blocked the US's further attempts, at what you deem as destabilization by whatever measure is unclear, but have introduced their own destabilization on behalf of their own client states. All one has to do is look at Syria, favored by Russia, and the continued decimation of the rebel forces by Syrian state forces, as they continued to bomb civilians using helicopter barrel bombs.

    Through great expenditure of US blood and US treasure, both Iraq and Afghanistan had a chance at democracy, a noble gesture, but seems that this chance will have been wasted on them.
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