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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What is the kill rate of targets to civilians even using drones?
    Using drones compared to...what? Small arms weapons fire? Air-to-ground airship raids on ground targets? Guided missile strikes from fighter jets? Cruise missiles launched from surface/sub-surface vessels? You gotta give me something more to work with here. But...

    Since I don't work for the DoD, I wouldn't have those numbers anyway. Regardless, I'm sure any kill rate wouldn't include the death toll for leveling an entire city compared to an urban warfare battle between allied and enemy forces.
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, particularly not today, with the release of the minority report. Was great to see Lindsey Graham and John McCain doing their about face today in so harshly criticizing the Bush administrations torture program.
    They did what? Oh, you gotta post a link to that article/video. That I have to see for myself.
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    If anything it says that Clinton is a better person than Bin Laden, and I am glad he said those words as an American leader. It would be hard be president and make decisions to kill civilians. That's a lot to live with the rest of one's life. I would never want the job..

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Using drones compared to...what? Small arms weapons fire? Air-to-ground airship raids on ground targets? Guided missile strikes from fighter jets? Cruise missiles launched from surface/sub-surface vessels? You gotta give me something more to work with here. But...

    Since I don't work for the DoD, I wouldn't have those numbers anyway. Regardless, I'm sure any kill rate wouldn't include the death toll for leveling an entire city compared to an urban warfare battle between allied and enemy forces.
    If you are those civilians killed in collateral damage...do ya REALLY think they are grateful that it was from a drone strike and not say...a cruise missile?

    For the record I support Obamas use of drones. Thats not the point. Its rather hypocritical to say Yeah...that ol Clinton guy...he was right to not target Osama because he could have killed civilians and then in the same breath support drone strikes which have killed 2400 civilians. Which of course says nothing about the civilians killed in the Clinton attacks on Iraq during the 1998/1999 bombing raids.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    No... WGBush spend eight years blamed 9/11 on Saddam.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Nothing new here, anyone who read the 9-11 Commission Report already knows that Clinton had a chance to get Bin Laden but passed on it.

    Clinton's anti-terrorist policy was that terrorism was not a national security issue but a law enforcement issue.

    When G.W. Bush became POTUS he stuck with Clinton's failed terrorist polices. But after 9-11-01 Bush didn't spend eight years blaming Clinton failed couner terrorist policies.

    What the article left out, while blowing up an aspirin factory Clinton also blew up the Chinese Embassy.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Do you have a link? I can't find reference to any of these statements you've posted.

    Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.

    "He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: `One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, `My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, `If I have a chance to invade....if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency."


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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, he sure came through on that one. His dad was only allowed to expel the Iraqis from Kuwait, he couldn't go get him in Baghdad. GW made sure that he got rid of him, and his rancid sons. Good riddance.
    Well then, clearly the point escaped you.
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If you are those civilians killed in collateral damage...do ya REALLY think they are grateful that it was from a drone strike and not say...a cruise missile?

    For the record I support Obamas use of drones. Thats not the point. Its rather hypocritical to say Yeah...that ol Clinton guy...he was right to not target Osama because he could have killed civilians and then in the same breath support drone strikes which have killed 2400 civilians. Which of course says nothing about the civilians killed in the Clinton attacks on Iraq during the 1998/1999 bombing raids.
    Oh, I agree with you. Hence, the reason I stated I struggle with this issue often. But in the grand scheme of things in this "US -vs- THEM" war, I'd rather drone strikes be used to kill our enemies than to put our men and women in uniform in harms way. Of course, it's true that the further away from the battlefield you are the more desensitized you become. So...
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They died in Bush's invasion to get Saddam and you should know that. Treating all those American deaths and injuries lightly is sickening but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
    Let me clear this up for you. They didn't die in "Bush's invasion to get Saddam." They died as brave defenders of freedom, doing what they wanted to do to defend this country and the people that they fought with.

    Yes, so is treating the brave sacrifice that they made to protect our nation as nothing more than being thrown to their deaths by the President is offensive. You (inc the Democrats) use their deaths for political gain, and that, is truly sickening.
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    No... WGBush spend eight years blamed 9/11 on Saddam.
    You know that's an right out lie.

    G.W. Bush didn't blame anyone. He's from the private sector where the rule is, when there's a problem, fix it don't look for someone to blame instead.

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