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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Quite the opposite is true!


    (CNN) -- U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan have killed far more people than the United States has acknowledged, have traumatized innocent residents and largely been ineffective, according to a new study released Tuesday.
    The study by Stanford Law School and New York University's School of Law calls for a re-evaluation of the practice, saying the number of "high-level" targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low -- about 2%.
    So carpet bombing with B-52's would cause less civilian casualties? Hardly. That is what we are comparing.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Bill Clinton specifically said they were women and children. Not that that concerns you I suppose.
    He said it while he was laughing. It's all a big joke to him. I guess 3,000 American lives are of no concern for you, not to mention the lives lost in The GWOT.

    Michael Scheuer--the head of The Bin Laden desk at CIA--said Clinton's a liar; there were no civilians around UBL when he was pin-pointed by their asset on the ground.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    It's hard to say now what could have happened. Maybe it could have prevented 9/11 or maybe it would have fueled the fire more. We can play 'what if' and go back and forth all day but it doesn't change anything. It is strange though that such a wanted man could be let go time and time again, I wonder how much his prominent Saudi family had to do with that, I know they disowned him and all but you never know.
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That maniac Koresh set that fire himself. He also shot and killed Federal officers.
    Actually sending tanks into a compound and dumping flammable gas caused the inferno. The video and investigation also very clearly showed that FBI agents fire at each other during their breach. However...let's talk about 'concern'. If you were 'concerned' would you arrest the individual when he was out jogging by himself as he did daily as a matter of routine, or would you lay seige to a compound full of women and children?

    Concern...it's very relative, isn't it? You will excuse barbecuing 80 women and children to catch a guy accused of a bunch of things but find it distasteful to launch an attack on a guy known to cause thousands of deaths.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Quite the opposite is true!


    (CNN) -- U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan have killed far more people than the United States has acknowledged, have traumatized innocent residents and largely been ineffective, according to a new study released Tuesday.
    The study by Stanford Law School and New York University's School of Law calls for a re-evaluation of the practice, saying the number of "high-level" targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low -- about 2%.
    If it were another topic he would have a real problem with drone attacks were civilians were killed. But...he kinda HAS to defend Obama.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He said it while he was laughing. It's all a big joke to him. I guess 3,000 American lives are of no concern for you, not to mention the lives lost in The GWOT.

    Michael Scheuer--the head of The Bin Laden desk at CIA--said Clinton's a liar; there were no civilians around UBL when he was pin-pointed by their asset on the ground.

    This Michael Scheuer,

    In Marching Toward Hell, Scheuer laments "the war in Iraq that was instigated by U.S. citizen Israel-firsters and their evangelical Christian allies".[31] He continues,

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So carpet bombing with B-52's would cause less civilian casualties? Hardly. That is what we are comparing.
    YOU claimed that drone strikes are easier on innocent civilians, when in fact 98% of the casualties are indeed civilians.
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So carpet bombing with B-52's would cause less civilian casualties? Hardly. That is what we are comparing.

    Dishonest hyperbole is more at home at places like The Daily Kos.

    We had weapons tech back then that could have easily taken out Bin Laden without leveling a entire village.

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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    In a word..Time. Drones have the ability to spend days on a target before deciding whether to fire on it.
    So they are more precise because they can spend more time over the target? Well, you seem to be trying to say that they can linger and wait for a clear shot, without many people around? That is probably true, though I think we could still get him without a drone.
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    Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    In a word..Time. Drones have the ability to spend days on a target before deciding whether to fire on it.
    The Predator drone can stay aloft for 26 hours total. That would include travel to and from the target

    So NO, the drone that has the ability to target and then rain down hell fire missiles CANNOT stay over its target for days.

    There are reconisance drone that can stay up for 72 hours but they carry Camera's, not weapons.

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