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Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.[W:351]

Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Funny how conservatives make a deal out of Clinton not getting OBL, even though in his eight years, Bush didn't either. And though he SAID he wanted him dead or alive, this is how he really felt.

Bush: Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized.... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/...-just-don-t-spend-that-much-time-on-bin-Laden
 
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Anthony60 said:
I would probably favor Cruz over him. What is it for you, Hillary?
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NO MORE BUSH's, NO MORE CLINTON'S. Rand Paul would be my, choice, and he's not ideal, but there's nothing else, yet.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Funny how conservatives make a deal out of Clinton not getting OBL, even though in his eight years, Bush didn't either. And though he SAID he wanted him dead or alive, this is how he really felt.

Bush: Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not. We haven't heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He's just a person who's been marginalized.... I don't know where he is. I really just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.

Bush, March 2002: 'I really just don't spend that much time' on bin Laden
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And Bush was right. Obama is dead but radical Islam is more dangerous than ever.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

I'm not really believing that guy "forgot" about the audio.

This doesn't really go into details either. Why couldn't he attempt a navy seals op like Obama did in the end, instead of just missile strike, if he was worried over civilians? Was the exact location not known or what?
 
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Grant said:
And Bush was right. Obama is dead but radical Islam is more dangerous than ever.
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Ha, what a hypocritical comment. We all know you would never have given Obama a pass for saying something as foolish as Bush did, and his comment proves he saw no value in defeating AQ. Decades and multiple presidencies of support for militant Islamic groups (like Bush's support of MEK) is what has allowed them to strengthen. But blind and patronizing partisans are hypocrites by nature, and won't ever concede such and therefore we will only see them continue to strengthen.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

MTAtech said:
Actually, while this isn't new -- all of this was in the 9-11 Commission Report and also mentioned in Richard Clarke's book, "Against all Enemies," your spin in completely off-base. Clinton DID take terrorism seriously and requested to raise the intelligence budget, as the Congressional Record confirms. In fact, Richard Clarke, who worked in the WH for every president from Reagan to Bush, said that Clinton would have been more likely to prevent the 9/11 attacks than Bush.


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Then why didn't he? They were planned while he was President. The first WTC attack happened while he was President.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Then why didn't he? They were planned while he was President. The first WTC attack happened while he was President.
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Because for decades US presidents have supported militant Islamic groups for the destabilization of the ME. Removing the regions stabilizing strong arms, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad (in progress) has served that purpose well. The ME is drowning in sectarian violence. Bush's flippant comment that he didn't spend time thinking about OBL, a good demonstration.
 
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Montecresto said:
Because for decades US presidents have supported militant Islamic groups for the destabilization of the ME. Removing the regions stabilizing strong arms, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad (in progress) has served that purpose well. The ME is drowning in sectarian violence. Bush's flippant comment that he didn't spend time thinking about OBL, a good demonstration.
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Bush's comment had nothing to do with my question.
 
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tres borrachos said:
The person who quoted Clarke can provide details.
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Two presidents — one a hawkish Republican and the other a dovish Democrat — have mostly made things worse.

Before George W. Bush's 2003 invasion, there was no terrorist presence in Iraq. By needlessly invading on false premises and in vain hope of installing a democracy, the U.S. destabilized the country and inspired a generation of enemies — at great cost in blood and treasure.

Obama inherited that mess, and by failing to bring Maliki into line deepened the problem. Now, with Obama's position further weakened by his equivocal response to atrocities in Syria, he's left with a bigger mess to clean up, one that demands fresh thinking about policies of war and peace that have failed so badly.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...bama-bush-malaki-editorials-debates/10408671/
 
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The glaring lesson of the war is that American ground invasions destabilize the Middle East, instead of stabilizing it. The 100,000 Iraqis who perished, the 4,500 American soldiers killed and the $1 trillion spent should have halted what Tufts University professor Daniel W. Drezner has called the "creeping militarization of American foreign policy." Instead, the civilian American institutions that failed us before Iraq have grown even weaker.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...invasions-destabilize-the-middle-east/274190/
 
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Montecresto said:
Two presidents — one a hawkish Republican and the other a dovish Democrat — have mostly made things worse.

Before George W. Bush's 2003 invasion, there was no terrorist presence in Iraq. By needlessly invading on false premises and in vain hope of installing a democracy, the U.S. destabilized the country and inspired a generation of enemies — at great cost in blood and treasure.

Obama inherited that mess, and by failing to bring Maliki into line deepened the problem. Now, with Obama's position further weakened by his equivocal response to atrocities in Syria, he's left with a bigger mess to clean up, one that demands fresh thinking about policies of war and peace that have failed so badly.

Iraq exposes failed U.S. policy: Our view
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That's nice, but I have no idea why you posted this from quoting my post. It has nothing to do with what I posted.
 
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Montecresto said:
Never a good thing to kill innocent civilians. If that's the TRUE reason he declined, good on him.
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This is the perfect example of why America is destined to lose this war against the radical Muslim world caliphate. As we wring our hands, and pull back from doing what is necessary to win, and crush the crazy line of thinking that they are in, we will lose.

Monte has it in perfect, succinct language. When he states what he stated here he, and Bill Clinton was really saying that the 3000 deaths that happened on 9/11 were just fine with him as long as he didn't kill 300 Muslims in Kandahar. And progressives wonder why I say they make perfect dhimmi's.
 
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tres borrachos said:
That's nice, but I have no idea why you posted this from quoting my post. It has nothing to do with what I posted.
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Actually, I don't see how you would read that and conclude that its nice. You question why Clinton didn't kill OBL, and are silent about the fact that not only neither did Bush, but Bush didn't CARE, spent no time thinking about him or pursuing him.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Actually, I don't see how you would read that and conclude that its nice. You question why Clinton didn't kill OBL, and are silent about the fact that not only neither did Bush, but Bush didn't CARE, spent no time thinking about him or pursuing him.
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For the last time, Bush has nothing to do with my question to MTATech. Thank you.
 
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j-mac said:
This is the perfect example of why America is destined to lose this war against the radical Muslim world caliphate. As we wring our hands, and pull back from doing what is necessary to win, and crush the crazy line of thinking that they are in, we will lose.

Monte has it in perfect, succinct language. When he states what he stated here he, and Bill Clinton was really saying that the 3000 deaths that happened on 9/11 were just fine with him as long as he didn't kill 300 Muslims in Kandahar. And progressives wonder why I say they make perfect dhimmi's.
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For Pete's sake, such hyperbole. You think Bill and I are just fine with the loss of American lives. That's it j wins the debate. Lazy!! Decades of support of militant Islamic groups is the problem. Do you want to point out that 4,500 lost American lives was just fine for Bush, so he could kill the man that threatened his daddy?
 
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Montecresto said:
That was the point.
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You keep bringing up Bush. I have no interest in debating what Bush did. I asked him a question about something he posted about Clinton, not Bush. He is perfectly capable of answering my question himself. There is no "point" in what you keep posting to me. Thank you.
 
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tres borrachos said:
You keep bringing up Bush. I have no interest in debating what Bush did. I asked him a question about something he posted about Clinton, not Bush. He is perfectly capable of answering my question himself. There is no "point" in what you keep posting to me. Thank you.
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Don't get your knickers knotted, he'll be back with the same answer soon.
 
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Montecresto said:
Don't get your knickers knotted, he'll be back with the same answer soon.
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And hopefully he will answer the question, and not post about Bush, as you did. Bush wasn't President in 2000 and previously.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Two presidents — one a hawkish Republican and the other a dovish Democrat — have mostly made things worse.

Before George W. Bush's 2003 invasion, there was no terrorist presence in Iraq. By needlessly invading on false premises...

Iraq exposes failed U.S. policy: Our view
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Is that your thinking, that we invaded Iraq on the grounds that there were terrorists there? Because that was never my thinking at all. You know how 9/11 changed things, and we could no longer sit back and wait for things to happen to us?
 
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Anthony60 said:
Is that your thinking, that we invaded Iraq on the grounds that there were terrorists there? Because that was never my thinking at all. You know how 9/11 changed things, and we could no longer sit back and wait for things to happen to us?
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Same old excuses. China and Russia have both blocked our further attempts of destabilization and presumably they will do so going forward.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Ha, what a hypocritical comment. We all know you would never have given Obama a pass for saying something as foolish as Bush did, and his comment proves he saw no value in defeating AQ. Decades and multiple presidencies of support for militant Islamic groups (like Bush's support of MEK) is what has allowed them to strengthen. But blind and patronizing partisans are hypocrites by nature, and won't ever concede such and therefore we will only see them continue to strengthen.
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Bush was correct. Joe Biden said that Iraq was their greatest accomplishment, and then they made much political hay over them killing Osama bin Laden.

But what good did it do apart from the political posturing it allowed?

Bush had his eye on the bigger picture while Obama was all about photo ops, and still is.

It's always amusing to hear from the 28% who still support Obama and Joe Biden.
 
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