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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

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    Got to love the passion of the left that promotes job creation that just got us back to the employment numbers of December 2007 when the recession began. Liberals like you will never change as you always have such low standards and expectations. To get us back to 146.3 million working Americans the debt was increased from 10.6 trillion to 17.6 trillion and you call that good news? You call it good news when we still have 7.5 million long term part time workers who want full time jobs? It is amazing what you people will buy and the question is why? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty because it certainly isn't results.
    It IS results. More jobs have been consistently created by Democratic administrations than Republican ones. Those pesky facts again.

    The Claim: Clinton said that over the past half century almost twice as many jobs had been created when Democrats were in the White House as under Republican administrations.

    The Background: Republicans have used today’s weak job market as a club to beat President Obama. Clinton confronted the Republican charges by claiming long-term success for the Democrats’ “we’re all in this together” philosophy, which he contrasted with what he described as the Republicans’ “you’re on your own” approach. Since 1961, Republican presidents have served for 28 years while Democrats have been in office for about 23 years. Clinton said total job growth over that period amounted to 66 million. “What’s the jobs score?” he asked the crowd in Charlotte. “Republicans 24 million, Democrats 42 million!” he said.

    The Facts: Clinton’s math is correct. Using Bureau of Labor Statistics figures for the month each president took office, Democratic presidents presided over the creation of 42.3 million jobs and Republican chief executives saw 23.9 million.
    Expanding Debt

    The Claim: Clinton said that Republican policies quadrupled the national debt in the 12 years before he took office and doubled it again in the 8 years following his presidency.

    The Background: At their convention in Tampa, Florida, Republicans prominently placed a digital display showing a continually updated total for the national debt, which passed $16 trillion as the Democrats opened their conclave. Romney has attacked Obama as a big spender who has lavished money on wasteful government programs.

    The Facts: Clinton’s claim is largely true. The Treasury Department’s website, TreasuryDirect - Home, includes detailed historical data on the government’s public debt. Only annual fiscal year data is available for the period before 1997. Total public debt rose from $907.7 billion on Sept. 30, 1980, four months before President Reagan’s inauguration, to $4.1 trillion on Sept. 30, 1992, as the administration of President George H.W. Bush was coming to a close. Under Clinton, the rise slowed markedly, going to $5.7 trillion. On the second half of his claim, his math was a little off. Total debt rose from $5.7 trillion on Jan. 22, 2001, the first trading day after President George W. Bush was sworn in, to $10.6 trillion on Jan. 20, 2009, when Obama took over. That 86 percent jump isn’t quite the doubling Clinton
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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's relativity in action. What you see is determined by the platform you are standing on.
    Yeah.....what they say is not what they say....but how I view it.

    Your semantic games are really cute!
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yeah.....what they say is not what they say....but how I view it.

    Your semantic games are really cute!
    That's how slogans work ("starve the beast"). You should know that since you've chosen to follow along with so many of them yourself.

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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    the debt was increased from 10.6 trillion to 17.6 trillion
    And yet you have been shown time after time, the primary driver of debt is:

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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    And yet you have been shown time after time, the primary driver of debt is:

    No, the primary driver of debt is overspending. If we don't spend more than we take in there is no debt, if we do, there is, regardless of what we spend it on.

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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's how slogans work ("starve the beast"). You should know that since you've chosen to follow along with so many of them yourself.
    So....you are in denial that conservatives (and note, most have gone extreme) are pushing for large cuts to fed govt spending.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, the primary driver of debt is overspending. If we don't spend more than we take in there is no debt, if we do, there is, regardless of what we spend it on.
    Ah...I see...the solution then, is not starve the beast, but not heal the veterans....not pay for past GOP spending.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So....you are in denial that conservatives (and note, most have gone extreme) are pushing for large cuts to fed govt spending.
    No, I don't deny that. And perhaps you should climb down from that platform and read what I posted. You're relying on a slogan to be the entire thrust and you may not understand that slogan, largely because you're far to the left of it. Once again limit and restrict the scope and finances of the beast is far more accurate than the slogan you're using.

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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Ah...I see...the solution then, is not starve the beast, but not heal the veterans....not pay for past GOP spending.
    Sorry, you're not going to heal us. Government doesn't have that power no matter how much money they have. However, the government should keep it promises to veterans. AND it should pay on the debt both parties have thus far incurred in the name of We the People. But it should also not add to that debt.

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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Sorry, you're not going to heal us. Government doesn't have that power no matter how much money they have. However, the government should keep it promises to veterans. AND it should pay on the debt both parties have thus far incurred in the name of We the People. But it should also not add to that debt.
    You are nearly as conflicted in this statement as you are with your other "not starve the beast" argument.

    You are talking a a lot, but in the end you are negating yourself on both counts.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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