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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

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    Sure it is
    Well, therefore you are admitting to your contradiction, tax incentives DO select winners......but supposedly you don't want govt selecting "winners".....but you are good with incentives.....that select winners.
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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

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    How do you know that bill will increase jobs since none of his policies have worked so far?
    Really?
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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    So you aren't against subsidies? Isn't that "corporate welfare"? And don't all liberals hate "corporate welfare"? You may think it's a good idea - and maybe it is, but the next time there's a discussion about corporate welfare, any incentive for relocating in the US will be claimed as part of the evil "corporate welfare" that lefties constantly wail about.

    I've said for quite some time that it would be smart to get competitive tax-wise with the global market and liberals always respond with whining about how corporations don't pay their fair share; didn't build that road; shouldn't be entitled to the benefits of our society and infrastructure without getting taxed unmercifully.

    Do liberals really know what they want (aside from just wanting to bitch)?
    It is now a Right wing sin to encourage corporations to employee Americans. Could you get any lower or more distasteful? You guys sound more and more like you would be far happier in Russia. It's got everything you like.

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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    So you aren't against subsidies? Isn't that "corporate welfare"? And don't all liberals hate "corporate welfare"?
    Yours is a wonderful examples of assumptions by the Right. You know all those terrible assumptions that the Left has of conservatives that you know are untrue? Same thing - the Right has a bunch of assumptions about liberals that are simply not true.

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    You may think it's a good idea - and maybe it is, but the next time there's a discussion about corporate welfare, any incentive for relocating in the US will be claimed as part of the evil "corporate welfare" that lefties constantly wail about.
    It's not whether corporate welfare is ever a good thing or a bad thing, but how it is used. Big Oil is the most profitable industry in human history - why the heck should they get any subsidies at all? But when we're trying to build industries in America that are not yet thriving, what's wrong with giving them a hand so that they can grow and thrive?

    If you'll think about it, isn't that sorta like the argument that we have about guns? Y'all think that we want to get rid of all guns...when in actuality it's a debate over who should have access to guns (specifically, violent felons, sex predators, terrorists, sociopaths, etc.).

    I've said for quite some time that it would be smart to get competitive tax-wise with the global market and liberals always respond with whining about how corporations don't pay their fair share; didn't build that road; shouldn't be entitled to the benefits of our society and infrastructure without getting taxed unmercifully.
    What are the most successful democracies on the planet? The first-world democracies, of course...and every one of the first-world democracies have big governments, high effective taxes, and strong regulation...and have had such for over half a century.

    Whereas conservatives are Absolutely Sure that big government, high effective taxes, and strong regulation is a sure path to the economic dustbin of history.

    Why is that? Why is it that the most successful nations on the planet are the very ones that conservatives say SHOULD be failing miserably?

    Why?

    Do liberals really know what they want (aside from just wanting to bitch)?
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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Remember the driver behind the wheel, he is a person, not a corporation, he is an employee of a company not THE company. He is the one paying those corporate taxes you want to levy when he purchases something from the store. Cannot believe our education system has gotten to this point.
    By the same token, then, one cannot blame THE government for anything, then, huh?

    Again, do you believe there is no such thing as corporate inertia?
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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    And many republicans favor outsourcing which allows a company to ship production overseas so that they can hire workers practically pennies on the dollar working 80 hour work weeks and ship those goods to the US with no or low tariffs.
    Both parties are opposing measures that would reduce the loss of jobs. In this case, it's the Republicans, but this is tiny compared to the tax rates problem, which the Dems refuse to fix.
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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yours is a wonderful examples of assumptions by the Right. You know all those terrible assumptions that the Left has of conservatives that you know are untrue? Same thing - the Right has a bunch of assumptions about liberals that are simply not true.

    We are all human, remember.




    It's not whether corporate welfare is ever a good thing or a bad thing, but how it is used. Big Oil is the most profitable industry in human history - why the heck should they get any subsidies at all? But when we're trying to build industries in America that are not yet thriving, what's wrong with giving them a hand so that they can grow and thrive?

    If you'll think about it, isn't that sorta like the argument that we have about guns? Y'all think that we want to get rid of all guns...when in actuality it's a debate over who should have access to guns (specifically, violent felons, sex predators, terrorists, sociopaths, etc.).



    What are the most successful democracies on the planet? The first-world democracies, of course...and every one of the first-world democracies have big governments, high effective taxes, and strong regulation...and have had such for over half a century.

    Whereas conservatives are Absolutely Sure that big government, high effective taxes, and strong regulation is a sure path to the economic dustbin of history.

    Why is that? Why is it that the most successful nations on the planet are the very ones that conservatives say SHOULD be failing miserably?

    Why?



    See that finger you're pointing at us? From the same hand, three fingers are pointing back at you.
    Corporate welfare. Libs are for it except when they are against it.

    I also wonder if your idea of success is a lot different than mine if you claim that the countries with the most socialism are the most "successful". Last I checked, they all depend on us to do all the heavy lifting militarily because we're the strongest and most successful, albeit not the most generous with freestuff for the freestuffers.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Liberal/progressive/Democrat philosophy concerning the tax code:

    The tax code is not the means the government uses to fairly provide the funds it needs to operate. Rather, the tax code is the tool...sometimes the weapon...they use to coerce, manipulate, influence and punish various individuals, businesses and levels of government.
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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You certainly have a different definition of tax reduction
    So you want to continue to give tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas?
    From your link
    Companies moving into the U.S. would have seen their tax bills drop by $357 million over the same period.
    Do you really believe that 143 is greater that 357?
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    Re: GOP blocks bill that would curb tax breaks for firms moving operations overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Liberal/progressive/Democrat philosophy concerning the tax code:

    The tax code is not the means the government uses to fairly provide the funds it needs to operate. Rather, the tax code is the tool...sometimes the weapon...they use to coerce, manipulate, influence and punish various individuals, businesses and levels of government.
    When you provide people with power, such the power to levy taxes, they will use it as a tool to push their will on others. It's not a matter of if they will, but only a matter of how they will go about doing it.

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