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Ebola fears hit close to home

ocean515 said:
Enough to scare the crap out of health officials, and shut down airports.
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That's not a number.

ocean515 said:
Why don't you go to a major international airport near you, and then keep us posted.
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I'm at O'Hare tomorrow. I also fly planes for a living, so spend more time at airports than most. I'm not worried. Good enough for you?
 
Deuce said:
That's not a number.



I'm at O'Hare tomorrow. I also fly planes for a living, so spend more time at airports than most. I'm not worried. Good enough for you?
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Well then, try to book a flight to West Africa and let us know how it goes.
 
grip said:
A blog? hahaha.

Though, I actually don't doubt that this strain may be harder to contain.

Every human that survived Ebola developed antibodies in their blood that's just simple medical science. Whether or not they're developing a resistance to this particular emergence, I don't know.
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Huh ?

Its filled with data from the World Health Organization.

Did you ignore that for some reason ?

And I know you DON'T KNOW if people are developing antibodies to this strain of Ebola, so why did you make that assumption ?
 
Deuce said:
That's not a number.



I'm at O'Hare tomorrow. I also fly planes for a living, so spend more time at airports than most. I'm not worried. Good enough for you?
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Large Carriers or Single Engine ?

Corporate or mail carriers ?
 
Fenton said:
Large Carriers or Single Engine ?

Corporate or mail carriers ?
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Generally mid-size charter/corporate. Tomorrow I sit in the back on a United flight. I hate sitting in the back.
 
Fenton said:
Huh ?

Its filled with data from the World Health Organization.

Did you ignore that for some reason ?

And I know you DON'T KNOW if people are developing antibodies to this strain of Ebola, so why did you make that assumption ?
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It doesn't matter where the blog copied data from it's still a weak source. Try linking from the WHO next time. ;)


What I SAID is that I don't know if they're developing any resistance. Of course people are developing antibodies, because the virus is always changing. You don't understand biology very well.

One such change is called “antigenic drift.” These are small changes in the virus that happen continually over time. Antigenic drift produces new virus strains that may not be recognized by the body's immune system. This process works as follows: a person infected with a particular virus strain develops antibody against that virus. As newer virus strains appear, the antibodies against the older strains no longer recognize the “newer” virus, and reinfection can occur. This is one of the main reasons why people can get the flu more than one time. This mutation can cause the virus to die or become even stronger.

In most years, one or two of the three virus strains in the influenza vaccine are updated to keep up with the changes in the circulating flu viruses.

How the Flu Virus Can Change: “Drift” and “Shift” | About (Flu) | CDC
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Ebola is the most lethal virus on the planet and fact that symptoms don't always appear for 21 days is disconcerting for obvious reasons. Simple sweat (a bodily fluid) can transmit the disease.

If someone can contract it in a scrub area I wouldn't underrate it. If it mutates to respiratory transmission we have a pandemic on our hands.
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grip said:
Apparently, you didn't just see the new CDC: Level 3 Alert announced on CNN, warning people not to travel to West Africa. And they're sending 50 more personal to the area to help contain the outbreak.

I'm not advocating panic anyway, only awareness. This particular strain has a higher survival rate so far at 60%, meaning that humans are developing some antibody resistance. Nature doesn't always create diseases that we can't become immune too.
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Don't worry everyone - the US is planning on importing Ebola to Atlanta. This Atlanta Hospital (Emory University Hospital) says it's confident it's facilities can withstand the outbreak of Ebola and the CDC apparently agrees. I certainly support the willingness to help here but ffs, why bring the patient to US soil? I don't care how good our containment protocols are, it's just stupid. What breakthrough treatment or miracle drug do we have to save this patient? We don't.... IMO this is just so a hospital can use their spiffy isolation area and can use this as a marketing tool to bring in more revenue's in the future.

Stupid.

Atlanta hospital to receive Ebola patient
 
grip said:
It doesn't matter where the blog copied data from it's still a weak source. Try linking from the WHO next time. ;)


What I SAID is that I don't know if they're developing any resistance. Of course people are developing antibodies, because the virus is always changing. You don't understand biology very well.

One such change is called “antigenic drift.” These are small changes in the virus that happen continually over time. Antigenic drift produces new virus strains that may not be recognized by the body's immune system. This process works as follows: a person infected with a particular virus strain develops antibody against that virus. As newer virus strains appear, the antibodies against the older strains no longer recognize the “newer” virus, and reinfection can occur. This is one of the main reasons why people can get the flu more than one time. This mutation can cause the virus to die or become even stronger.

In most years, one or two of the three virus strains in the influenza vaccine are updated to keep up with the changes in the circulating flu viruses.

How the Flu Virus Can Change: “Drift” and “Shift” | About (Flu) | CDC
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Attacking the source and ignoring the content is whats " weak ".
 
Ockham said:
Don't worry everyone - the US is planning on importing Ebola to Atlanta. This Atlanta Hospital (Emory University Hospital) says it's confident it's facilities can withstand the outbreak of Ebola and the CDC apparently agrees. I certainly support the willingness to help here but ffs, why bring the patient to US soil? I don't care how good our containment protocols are, it's just stupid. What breakthrough treatment or miracle drug do we have to save this patient? We don't.... IMO this is just so a hospital can use their spiffy isolation area and can use this as a marketing tool to bring in more revenue's in the future.

Stupid.

Atlanta hospital to receive Ebola patient
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Treatment for Ebola really just comes down to re-hydration.

They can do that in Africa.
 
Ockham said:
Don't worry everyone - the US is planning on importing Ebola to Atlanta. This Atlanta Hospital (Emory University Hospital) says it's confident it's facilities can withstand the outbreak of Ebola and the CDC apparently agrees. I certainly support the willingness to help here but ffs, why bring the patient to US soil? I don't care how good our containment protocols are, it's just stupid. What breakthrough treatment or miracle drug do we have to save this patient? We don't.... IMO this is just so a hospital can use their spiffy isolation area and can use this as a marketing tool to bring in more revenue's in the future.

Stupid.

Atlanta hospital to receive Ebola patient
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My comments on it aren't to worry everyone, because in its current form, it's probably going to die out like it has in the past. It doesn't spread any easier than Hep C or HIV right now. And I'm sure the CDC has samples already in cold storage, so the disease is probably on US soil. I remember after it first appeared about the rumors that the CIA created the stuff for germ warfare and lost control of a test. I have no doubt there are far more lethal weaponized diseases in some facility.

The reasoning for bringing this patient here is because he's possibly going to survive with better symptom treatment, especially after the early stages. Just mitigating the temperature, IV hydration, electrolytes, nutrition and other bodily functions will improve his chances. Also this doctor was transfused with the blood of a survivor, which had antibodies that may help his blood develop an even stronger immune response. A vaccination or serum may be made from his genes if he survives.
 
grip said:
My comments on it aren't to worry everyone, because in its current form, it's probably going to die out like it has in the past. It doesn't spread any easier than Hep C or HIV right now. And I'm sure the CDC has samples already in cold storage, so the disease is probably on US soil. I remember after it first appeared about the rumors that the CIA created the stuff for germ warfare and lost control of a test. I have no doubt there are far more lethal weaponized diseases in some facility.
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Having a weaponized disease in a security lock down laboratory is one thing, having a live human host in an active public hospital is another.

grip said:
The reasoning for bringing this patient here is because he's possibly going to survive with better symptom treatment, especially after the early stages. Just mitigating the temperature, IV hydration, electrolytes, nutrition and other bodily functions will improve his chances. Also this doctor was transfused with the blood of a survivor, which had antibodies that may help his blood develop an even stronger immune response. A vaccination or serum may be made from his genes if he survives.
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Why can't our improved symptom treatment and procedures go to Africa then? If that's all it really is, there's no need to bring him to the US while still in an infectious state.
 
Cue conspiracy theorists: They're bringing ebola patients to the US in order to experiment with creating a weaponized strain of Ebola virus.

Pass it on.
 
Ockham said:
Having a weaponized disease in a security lock down laboratory is one thing, having a live human host in an active public hospital is another.
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I'm sure they'll be taking every precaution, though I agree it's more risky with a live patient than handling a vial in a lab. There must be a reason (experiment), besides humanitarian or they wouldn't take the risk. With the way people travel now days it's easier to try and get a treatment now than wait till it hops here from overseas.

Why can't our improved symptom treatment and procedures go to Africa then? If that's all it really is, there's no need to bring him to the US while still in an infectious state.
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The CDC just sent 50 more personnel but that's a drop in the bucket of what's needed. Have you heard about the treatment facilities and conditions over there? It's a nightmare according to one British doctor who went there to help. Poor containment, 24 hour shifts and untrained help.
 
grip said:
I'm sure they'll be taking every precaution, though I agree it's more risky with a live patient than handling a vial in a lab. There must be a reason (experiment), besides humanitarian or they wouldn't take the risk. With the way people travel now days it's easier to try and get a treatment now than wait till it hops here from overseas.
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Humans being the ever flawed beings they are concerns me... one "oopsie" and 30 days later we could be having a big problem.

grip said:
The CDC just sent 50 more personnel but that's a drop in the bucket of what's needed. Have you heard about the treatment facilities and conditions over there? It's a nightmare according to one British doctor who went there to help. Poor containment, 24 hour shifts and untrained help.
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Which is why I think exporting as many CDC mobile treatment and emergency containment facilities could help. Let's take our procedures and treatments on the road and not only end this outbreak but use it as a teaching moment so any future outbreak could be less severe. It's too bad we can't get an Executive Order from our President to do that while Congress is vacationing for the next 5 weeks.
 
Summerwind said:
I agree with the premise, but to panic now is juvenile, just as it was with SARS and the bird flu. We (first world countries) don't live in 1919 anymore, and IF everyone is SOOOOOO worried about these things then why aren't we doing more to fund the research for solutions, and then accept the cost lost as we give the benefit to those in second and third world countries.

As you point out, Ebola isn't new. The concern isn't new, and yet we seem way too pleased with ourselves for ignoring it while it's in 2nd and 3rd world countries and then PANIC when one person in one 2nd world country becomes ill and dies because he contracted in yet a different 2nd world country just because his home is in the USA.

That's what's ridiculous. IF it's truly that much of a concern, it should already be a top priority to stop it in it's tracks in Africa, but that's too costly since most of Africa wouldn't be able to afford the meds since pharma has no motivation besides profit.
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You're right we don't live in 1919 anymore. Transportation of potential carriers is a lot faster now. A lot faster!
 
Ockham said:
Humans being the ever flawed beings they are concerns me... one "oopsie" and 30 days later we could be having a big problem.



Which is why I think exporting as many CDC mobile treatment and emergency containment facilities could help. Let's take our procedures and treatments on the road and not only end this outbreak but use it as a teaching moment so any future outbreak could be less severe. It's too bad we can't get an Executive Order from our President to do that while Congress is vacationing for the next 5 weeks.
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It's probably a matter of not having the research and treatment facilities at hand, and possibly the gov't over there not allowing us to take over the situation completely? Even a mobile center would take more time to set up properly than what the disease rate of spreading is allowing. I agree though that we should not be sparing any expense at containing and treating on site. Part of it could actually be cost, knowing our cheap gov't agencies.
 
Fenton said:
No, humans are not developing antibody resistance to the Ebola virus nor is this a less virulent form of the disease. The previous claims of a 90 % mortality rate were based on a faulty subset of data points and if anything this strand of Ebola is far worse than any preceding outbreak.

Previous mortality rates were from highly isolated small communities with poor access to proper medial care.

This outbreak is the largest yet and this form of Ebola isn't burning itself out as quickly as the last outbreak did which means it's spreading.
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"Strand?" I think you mean strain. LMAO
 
WCH said:
I also heard him say, "there are 1000s of tiny cuts in everyone's hands where you could contract this illness"

The guy on that plane was violently throwing up and no doubt sweating. (bodily fluids)
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And don't forget he may have had traces of fecal matter on his hands from his severe diarrhea or even on the seat. If he was as sick as they said he was hygiene concerns went out the window. How'd you like to be the one that put him on the stretcher or took his pulse, etc. not knowing he had Ebola?
 
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Erod said:
Among the heterosexual, non-needle-sharing crowd, not so much.
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But it made it's way to heterosexuals that were not needle sharing didn't it?
 
Erod said:
Among the heterosexual, non-needle-sharing crowd, not so much.
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No, not quite as much, however:

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No one is exempt.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
And aides never made it here did it?
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And AIDS virulence almost non-existent compared to Ebola. If it were to break out in New York City the devastation would be unimaginable.
 
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