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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    One more state challenge has been denied. Virginia is the next in the ever-shortening list of states where gays may not marry.

    Appeals court upholds decision overturning Virginia

    "A federal appeals court on Monday struck down Virginia’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, saying that withholding the fundamental right to marry from gay couples is a new form of “segregation” that the Constitution cannot abide.

    The 2-to-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, based in Richmond, upheld a lower court’s decision and extended an extraordinary winning streak in the federal courts for proponents of same-sex marriage.

    "Legal challenges to state bans filed systematically nationwide have prevailed in every test since the Supreme Court in June 2013 struck down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as only between a man and a woman."

    Two federal appeals courts have now said the bans are unconstitutional. The Supreme Court probably will have to make the final determination and could consider the issue as soon as next year."


    IMO, state governors and legislators should stop wasting their taxpayer money on challenging SSM....the handwriting has been on the wall for some time now.

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    I did so yesterday but here it is
    Changes/Updates in RED
    7/27/14 Version 16.0

    21 States with Equal Rights and 14 Stayed/Appealed/Pending

    21 States with Equal Rights

    Massachusetts - May 17, 2004
    Connecticut - November 12, 2008
    Iowa - April 27, 2009
    Vermont - September 1, 2009
    New Hampshire - January 1, 2010
    Washing D.C. - March 9, 2010
    FALL OF DADT Dec 18, 2010
    New York - July 24, 2011
    Washington - December 6, 2012
    Maine - December 29, 2012
    Maryland - January 1, 2013
    FALL OF DOMA - June 26, 2013
    California - June 28, 2013
    Delaware - July 1, 2013
    Rhode Island - August 1, 2013
    Minnesota - August 1, 2013
    New Jersey - October 21, 2013
    Illinois - (ruled on Nov 20th 2013) June 1, 2014 effective
    Hawaii - December 2, 2013
    New Mexico – December 19, 2013
    GSK v. Abbott Laboratories - January 21, 2014 (could be huge in gay rights, discrimination/heightened scrutiny)
    Oregon May 19, 2014
    Pennsylvania May 20, 2014
    Colorado July 23, 2014 (partial)
    Virgina - July 28th, 2014 (could affect NC, SC, WV)


    14 Stayed/Appealed/Pending
    Utah – December 20, 2013 (Stayed) June 25th 2014 10th upheld banning is unconstitutional. Ruling stayed.
    Oklahoma - (Stayed) (10th ruling could impact this)
    Kentucky - February 14, 2014 (Must recognize out-of-state marriages which will lead to their ban being defeated)
    Virginia - February 14, 2014 (Stayed)
    Texas - February 26, 2014 (Stayed)
    Tennessee March, 2014 (Direct US Constitution Challenge)(Prilim in and 3 couples are recognized, later broader ruling coming)
    Michigan - March 21, 2014 (Stayed)
    Ohio - April, 2014 Trial had narrow ruling that Ohio will recognize OTHER state marriages but didn’t impact bans. New cases expected.
    Arkansas - May 5, 2014 (Stayed)
    Idaho - May 13, 2014 (Stayed)
    Wisconsin - June 6, 2014(Stayed)
    Indiana - June 25th, 2014(Stayed)
    Kansas - June 25th, 2014(Stayed)
    Wyoming - June 25th, 2014(Stayed)
    Florida - July 17th, 2014



    20 States Working Towards Equal Rights

    13 States with Pending Court Cases to Establish Equal Rights
    Alabama
    Georgia
    Kansas (10th ruling could impact this)
    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    Montana
    Nebraska
    North Carolina
    North Dakota
    South Carolina
    South Dakota
    West Virginia
    Wyoming (10th ruling could impact this)

    4 States with Court Cases and Legislation to establish Equal Rights
    Alaska
    Arizona
    Missouri
    Nevada


    thats 50 states that could have equal rights by 2016 and some much sooner!

    US Court of Appeals Tracker
    Map: Court Locator
    1st - all states have equal rights
    2nd - all states have equal rights
    3rd - pending
    4th - RULED ON and probably going to SCOTUS
    5th- pending
    6th - pending
    7th- pending
    8th- nothing pending, talks of two cases
    9th- pending (statement released "as soon as possible")
    10-th - 3 panel judge ruled banning SSM is unconstitutional. Stayed

    State Attorney Generals no longer defending the bans due to their unconstitutionality
    California (Has equal rights now)
    Illinois (Has Equal rights now)
    Kentucky
    Nevada
    Oregon (has equal rights now)
    Pennsylvania(has equal rights now)
    Virginia(stayed)

    THERE ARE NO STATES LEFT NOT FIGHTING FOR EQUAL RIGHTS

    #EqualRightsAreWinning!!!!!!!!!!!!

    also please feel free to let me know of any corrections or updates that need made, equality is kicking so much ass its hard to keep up, thanks
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Creating the institution of homosexual marriage is endorsing it. Look up the definition of "sanction".
    LMAO 100% factually false only the contract and rights are being protected and endorsed
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    If it wasn't about acceptance then gays would have been satisfied with civil unions. They were not. Civil unions offered every protection and benefit as marriage but, to them, it was not acceptable. Why is that?

    I don't even know what you're trying to argue here. Are you somehow not comfortable with admitting that seeking moral equivalence is the goal here?
    well facts prove your post wrong since civil unions are factually not equal, try again your fantasy strawman fails
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well facts prove your post wrong since civil unions are factually not equal, try again your fantasy strawman fails
    What part of civil unions was not equal? I am allowing for the possibility that I am not aware of all of the facts here, so fill me in if you don't mind.

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Please tell me which state has civil unions that are federally recognized. As far as I know, not one civil union is federally recognized and does not receive the 1,100 + federal benefits and protections that a civil marriage does.
    I was talking about the concept of civil unions as a mechanism to allow same sex couples to gain the same benefit. The very concept was rejected outright before the feds even had to make it their business to figure out how to deal with it. And seriously... 1,100 benefits? I'm married, fill me in, please. I feel like I'm missing out.

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Playing a gam of semantics is somehow making a difference for you?
    If you are going to respond to my posts I would ask just two things:

    1. Respond to the WHOLE post and don't cherry pick lines to avoid having to acknowledge the context.

    2. Don't use words that you obviously don't understand the meaning of. "Semantics".... sheesh.

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    One more state challenge has been denied. Virginia is the next in the ever-shortening list of states where gays may not marry.

    Appeals court upholds decision overturning Virginia

    "A federal appeals court on Monday struck down Virginia’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, saying that withholding the fundamental right to marry from gay couples is a new form of “segregation” that the Constitution cannot abide.

    The 2-to-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, based in Richmond, upheld a lower court’s decision and extended an extraordinary winning streak in the federal courts for proponents of same-sex marriage.

    "Legal challenges to state bans filed systematically nationwide have prevailed in every test since the Supreme Court in June 2013 struck down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as only between a man and a woman."

    Two federal appeals courts have now said the bans are unconstitutional. The Supreme Court probably will have to make the final determination and could consider the issue as soon as next year."


    IMO, state governors and legislators should stop wasting their taxpayer money on challenging SSM....the handwriting has been on the wall for some time now.

    Where is Agent J? I need him to post an updated list
    The vision of legal gay marriage in all 50 states is coming to fruition!

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I was talking about the concept of civil unions as a mechanism to allow same sex couples to gain the same benefit. The very concept was rejected outright before the feds even had to make it their business to figure out how to deal with it. And seriously... 1,100 benefits? I'm married, fill me in, please. I feel like I'm missing out.
    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf
    In 1997, we issued a
    report identifying 1,049 federal statutory provisions classified to the United States Code in
    which benefits, rights, and privileges are contingent on marital status or in which marital
    status is a factor.2

    We have identified 120 statutory provisions involving marital status that were enacted
    between September 21, 1996, and December 31, 2003

    Consequently, as of December 31, 2003, our research identified a
    total of 1,138 federal statutory provisions classified to the United States Code in which
    marital status is a factor in determining or receiving benefits, rights, and privileges.
    I was never aware that civil unions were even offered. many states banned them at the same time they banned marriage. Maybe you could show me where the offer was extended federally.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf


    I was never aware that civil unions were even offered. many states banned them at the same time they banned marriage. Maybe you could show me where the offer was extended federally.
    I never said anything about a formal offer being extended federally. My only comment on the matter was that the CONCEPT of civil unions was rejected by the gay community. It was. If you're trying to say that it wasn't then maybe you could point me to some of the gay rights groups who supported it?

    Look, you and a couple of others here took issue with me stating that gay marriage was rooted in the desire for moral equivalency. I don't find anything profound or controversial at all about that statement. I even acknowledged that IF I were gay I'd probably be seeking the same thing. So what is the bid deal about saying it out loud? Am I wrong? Do gay couples really not give a **** about it?

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    One more state challenge has been denied. Virginia is the next in the ever-shortening list of states where gays may not marry.

    Appeals court upholds decision overturning Virginia

    "A federal appeals court on Monday struck down Virginia’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, saying that withholding the fundamental right to marry from gay couples is a new form of “segregation” that the Constitution cannot abide.

    The 2-to-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, based in Richmond, upheld a lower court’s decision and extended an extraordinary winning streak in the federal courts for proponents of same-sex marriage.

    "Legal challenges to state bans filed systematically nationwide have prevailed in every test since the Supreme Court in June 2013 struck down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as only between a man and a woman."

    Two federal appeals courts have now said the bans are unconstitutional. The Supreme Court probably will have to make the final determination and could consider the issue as soon as next year."


    IMO, state governors and legislators should stop wasting their taxpayer money on challenging SSM....the handwriting has been on the wall for some time now.

    Where is Agent J? I need him to post an updated list
    Well impeaching a sitting president is almost impossible to impeach - the president would either have to be wihtout a reasonable doubt guilty of treason or commit other high crimes or misdemeanors...

    As much as I would like to see that pesedo-socialist/anti- capitalist impeached, from the information I have I just cant see that happening...Now I have no access to the classified information the House Committees possess, I would certainly hope they have enough evidence that proves without a reasonable doubt Obama was acting nefarious in is his position. As a person will little information other than that was leaked - I believe it would be better for the prosecutor to attack those close to Obama and have them "talk."

    Either way it would be an extremely bizarre case, and quite frankly I would certainly wait until he is a civilian to start knocking doors down.

    Obama is no better than a Madoff as far as I'm concerned that the government acts like a Ponzi Scheme , and potential RICO charge could be filed against all these clowns Invloved in this present administration.

    The best part is that if such a criminal indictment can be filed against Obama when he is out of office, his entire presidency goes up in smoke.

    However if those in Congress want to impeach Obama I would love to hear their legal briefs......

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