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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Because they are affected by SSM as well. Lesbians are 'same sex couples.'

    Everything you are attempting to use as a reason to prevent SSM is focused on men. Hardly a balanced argument.

    Unless you believe that lesbians should be allowed to marry each other?

    (I cant believe I just had to spell this out.)
    My argument is that society needn't be forced to endorse homosexuality. Period. women on women, men on men... neither is something society should be forced to endorse against their will.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Why do you think I consider rude sexual advances appropriate for anyone? Merely explaining the motivation for homosexual marriage activism isn't approval of anything.
    What kind of activism is it when men harrass and chase women? Er...none. They just want to get laid.

    Common thread here: men just want to get laid. Who they chase depends on their sexual orientation.

    No activism, lol. That's just an excuse and shows how people wear blinders in the face of what they consider offensive.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The 14th amendment says they can't. Because no important state interest exists in defining marriage as between a man and a woman. Nobody was ever barred from marriage based on their own race either. But a race-based distinction in marriage contracts failed to meet th test of (strict) constitutional scrutiny. (Intermediate scrutiny applies for distinctions of gender)
    This is key and yet none of them have been able to show any harm.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Guess you weren't paying attention. I agree that if they can get them, they're not straight, so what they wanted wasn't they got. It's an interesting conundrum for them and you, apparently, had no idea what anyone was talking about when you made the non-sequitur above.
    LOL

    I'm just getting this from your self-righteous indignation about those advances being *gay activism.* You even wrote that. And yet dont see men hitting on women as any kind of activism...right?

    Hypocrisy...I just calls 'em as I sees 'em.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    My argument is that society needn't be forced to endorse homosexuality. Period. women on women, men on men... neither is something society should be forced to endorse against their will.
    Who is asking you personally to endorse anything? Nobody asked me what I thought about straight marriage (which I'm personally against the govt being involved in). And a lot of society is more than happy to endorse it. What's your break-over point?

    It's none of your business, if that is your argument, anymore than anyone else's marriage. Unfortunately interracial couples also had to resort to the federal govt because apparently 'some people' didnt want to endorse their unions. Oh well. There was no legitimate reason to deny them and I have yet to see a legitimate reason to deny gays.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    My argument is that society needn't be forced to endorse homosexuality.
    Nobody is endorsing anything. Recognizing other people's rights is not more endorsing it than endorsing the hate spewed by those imbeciles at service men's funerals because we protect free speech.

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    If it wasn't about acceptance then gays would have been satisfied with civil unions.
    Playing a gam of semantics is somehow making a difference for you?

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    If it wasn't about acceptance then gays would have been satisfied with civil unions. They were not. Civil unions offered every protection and benefit as marriage but, to them, it was not acceptable. Why is that?

    I don't even know what you're trying to argue here. Are you somehow not comfortable with admitting that seeking moral equivalence is the goal here?
    Please tell me which state has civil unions that are federally recognized. As far as I know, not one civil union is federally recognized and does not receive the 1,100 + federal benefits and protections that a civil marriage does.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    One more state challenge has been denied. Virginia is the next in the ever-shortening list of states where gays may not marry.

    Appeals court upholds decision overturning Virginia

    "A federal appeals court on Monday struck down Virginia’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, saying that withholding the fundamental right to marry from gay couples is a new form of “segregation” that the Constitution cannot abide.

    The 2-to-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, based in Richmond, upheld a lower court’s decision and extended an extraordinary winning streak in the federal courts for proponents of same-sex marriage.

    "Legal challenges to state bans filed systematically nationwide have prevailed in every test since the Supreme Court in June 2013 struck down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as only between a man and a woman."

    Two federal appeals courts have now said the bans are unconstitutional. The Supreme Court probably will have to make the final determination and could consider the issue as soon as next year."


    IMO, state governors and legislators should stop wasting their taxpayer money on challenging SSM....the handwriting has been on the wall for some time now.

    Where is Agent J? I need him to post an updated list
    Virginia didn't fall. I take issue with the language in your title.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Nobody is endorsing anything. Recognizing other people's rights is not more endorsing it than endorsing the hate spewed by those imbeciles at service men's funerals because we protect free speech.
    Creating the institution of homosexual marriage is endorsing it. Look up the definition of "sanction".
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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