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Thread: Appeals court upholds decision overturning Virginia’s same-sex marriage ban

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Whatever, dude.

    Gays what their relationships to be viewed with the same moral standing as straight relationships and if I was gay, I'd probably want that too. When you break it down to it's root, that's what it is all about.

    Deal with it.
    Morality is personal, subjective. It doesn't matter if some may want "acceptance" by a majority. That is irrelevant as to why they should be treated equally under the law. And you cannot prove that "acceptance" is the main motivator for fighting for same sex marriage being legal. That is absolutely nothing but your personal belief.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

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    Creating the institution of homosexual marriage is endorsing it. Look up the definition of "sanction".
    There is no institution of gay marriage. Nor is there endorsement. Just because you do not like it there is not need to invent things.

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Another strawman. My argument is that this isn't about rights. It's about a desire by homosexuals to normalize homosexuality in order to facilitate recruitment. My point is that the "rights" is really just the angle the legal and moral battle seems to be taking even though it's not really the primary motivation.
    This is a statement you can't prove. It is nothing but your opinion and therefore completely irrelevant to the legal argument of why same sex marriage bans are unconstitutional. Irrelevant to why same sex couples should be allowed to enter into legal marriage.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    If you are going to respond to my posts I would ask just two things:

    1. Respond to the WHOLE post and don't cherry pick lines to avoid having to acknowledge the context.

    2. Don't use words that you obviously don't understand the meaning of. "Semantics".... sheesh.
    There was not need to quote the entire post. Clearly the issue is the game of semantics you are attempting.

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    If it wasn't about acceptance then gays would have been satisfied with civil unions. They were not. Civil unions offered every protection and benefit as marriage but, to them, it was not acceptable. Why is that?

    I don't even know what you're trying to argue here. Are you somehow not comfortable with admitting that seeking moral equivalence is the goal here?
    First, there has never been a legitimate effort to make civil unions for same sex couples that were equivalent to marriage, so it was a worthless cause, and now, with same sex couples who are married being recognized as married, then it is completely pointless. Second, why should they be forced into a contract that has to be made up specifically for them just because some people are offended by having to share a word, a title with them? The motivation behind that is to separate same sex couples from opposite sex couples in order to treat them as inferiors.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Creating the institution of homosexual marriage is endorsing it. Look up the definition of "sanction".
    The "institution of homosexual marriage" hasn't been created. Same sex couples are allowed to enter into legally marriages that already exist. They are the same marriages opposite sex couples enter into.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    My argument is that society needn't be forced to endorse homosexuality. Period. women on women, men on men... neither is something society should be forced to endorse against their will.
    Then why should the government have been forced to endorse interracial marriages? You live in a society that believes that individual rights are more important (in most cases) than the rights of others to not want certain types of people in their society.
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First, there has never been a legitimate effort to make civil unions for same sex couples that were equivalent to marriage, so it was a worthless cause, and now, with same sex couples who are married being recognized as married, then it is completely pointless. Second, why should they be forced into a contract that has to be made up specifically for them just because some people are offended by having to share a word, a title with them? The motivation behind that is to separate same sex couples from opposite sex couples in order to treat them as inferiors.
    Kind of interesting how you can make the statement in bold about 5 minutes after stating this..

    Morality is personal, subjective. It doesn't matter if some may want "acceptance" by a majority. That is irrelevant as to why they should be treated equally under the law. And you cannot prove that "acceptance" is the main motivator for fighting for same sex marriage being legal. That is absolutely nothing but your personal belief.
    When I make a statement about motivations I can't prove it and it is "absolutely nothing but your personal belief". But then you turn around and do the exact same thing in the very next post.

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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Kind of interesting how you can make the statement in bold about 5 minutes after stating this..



    When I make a statement about motivations I can't prove it and it is "absolutely nothing but your personal belief". But then you turn around and do the exact same thing in the very next post.
    except one factually does this and one does not. LMAO

    excluding them and denying gays equal rights FACTUALLY makes them inferior on this subject
    including them simply grants them equal rights, after that any OPINIONS about acceptance are meaningless and not effected

    sorry your assessment of those statments fails
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    Re: Virginia falls! Courts deny ban on SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Gays what their relationships to be viewed with the same moral standing as straight relationships and if I was gay, I'd probably want that too. When you break it down to it's root, that's what it is all about.
    First of all, gays have the same reasons to marry as straight people. Some of it is to acquire the moral standing of a married couple, as opposed to a couple 'shacking up.' It's a public statement of commitment to your spouse/partner, and for the religious marriage is also a special relationship as well. And there are the obvious legal/economic reasons to marry - those 1,300 or so rights in the law, including the legal ramifications regarding the couple's children. So down to its 'root' the gay marriage movement is about a lot of things - all the things that marriage means to you and me and other married couples.

    Just one more thing - the only reason to call these unions something other than marriage is to express moral DISAPPROVAL, or at least I've never seen anyone object to calling the unions 'marriage' who didn't morally disapprove.

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