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    U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    The United States has concluded that Russia violated a landmark arms control treaty by testing a prohibited ground-launched cruise missile, according to senior American officials, a finding that was conveyed by President Obama to Russian President Vladimir V. Putin in a letter on Monday.

    At the heart of the issue is the 1987 treaty that bans medium-range missiles, which are defined as ground-launched ballistic or cruise missiles capable of flying 300 to 3,400 miles. That accord, which was signed by President Ronald Reagan and Mikhail S. Gorbachev, the Soviet leader, helped seal the end of the Cold War and has been regarded as a cornerstone of American-Russian arms control efforts.
    Russia first began testing the cruise missiles as early as 2008, according to American officials, and the Obama administration concluded by the end of 2011 that they were a compliance concern. In May 2013, Rose Gottemoeller, the State Department’s senior arms control official, first raised the possibility of a violation with Russian officials.
    Was this the flexibility Obama conveyed to Russian President Medvedev prior to the 2012 elections?

    Why has the administration waited so long to find this egregious breech a problem?

    NATO’s top commander, Gen. Philip M. Breedlove, has said that the violation requires a response if it cannot be resolved.

    “A weapon capability that violates the I.N.F., that is introduced into the greater European land mass, is absolutely a tool that will have to be dealt with,” he said in an interview in April. “It can’t go unanswered.”
    Have the war tom toms started a slow and quiet beat... or, is President Obama just attempting to look strong in the face of much adversity lately?

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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    It's Obama, would you expect anything more than stupidity?
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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Was this the flexibility Obama conveyed to Russian President Medvedev prior to the 2012 elections?

    Why has the administration waited so long to find this egregious breech a problem?



    Have the war tom toms started a slow and quiet beat... or, is President Obama just attempting to look strong in the face of much adversity lately?

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    I can feel Gorbachev crying right now at the degradation of the Russian state by it's leader. The poor guy worked pretty hard to pull Russia to a better stance with the U.S and quite frnakly much of the Western world (maybe whole world).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    I can feel Gorbachev crying right now at the degradation of the Russian state by it's leader. The poor guy worked pretty hard to pull Russia to a better stance with the U.S and quite frnakly much of the Western world (maybe whole world).
    And Putin seems to be living in the cold war past.
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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    So it was a treaty signed by Reagan and the old Soviet Union, ok.
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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So it was a treaty signed by Reagan and the old Soviet Union, ok.
    It bans medium-range missiles, which are defined as ground-launched ballistic or cruise missiles capable of flying 300 to 3,400 miles.

    I wonder if Obama has second thoughts about pulling missiles out of Poland and the Czech Republic now?
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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    It bans medium-range missiles, which are defined as ground-launched ballistic or cruise missiles capable of flying 300 to 3,400 miles.

    I wonder if Obama has second thoughts about pulling missiles out of Poland and the Czech Republic now?
    Mo, I think you missed my point.
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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So it was a treaty signed by Reagan and the old Soviet Union, ok.
    So is it your contention that Russia is not bound by any of it's prior Soviet era treaty obligations and that conversely the United States is also not bound by them?

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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Was this the flexibility Obama conveyed to Russian President Medvedev prior to the 2012 elections?

    Why has the administration waited so long to find this egregious breech a problem?
    I ask the same question, why did Obama wait so long ?

    What's Obama going to do about it ?

    Do what Reagan did and build a 600 ship Navy ?

    That's right, Obama is doing the opposite and is down sizing the Navy.

    This was a treaty between the USA and the USSR, it doesn't involve anyone else.

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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    It bans medium-range missiles, which are defined as ground-launched ballistic or cruise missiles capable of flying 300 to 3,400 miles.

    I wonder if Obama has second thoughts about pulling missiles out of Poland and the Czech Republic now?
    When Obama appeased Putin and removed those missiles from Poland and the Czech Republic without getting anything in return from Russia is when Putin lost all respect of Obama and looked at him as a weak and stupid head of state who didn't know how geopolitics are played. From that day on, Obama looked like a pantywaist in the eyes of the world. You know the saying, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

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