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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    So is it your contention that Russia is not bound by any of it's prior Soviet era treaty obligations and that conversely the United States is also not bound by them?
    Obviously.
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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

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    When Obama appeased Putin and removed those missiles from Poland and the Czech Republic without getting anything in return from Russia is when Putin lost all respect of Obama and looked at him as a weak and stupid head of state who didn't know how geopolitics are played. From that day on, Obama looked like a pantywaist in the eyes of the world. You know the saying, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
    No Apache. After the first gulf war, when Rumsfeld said, now we know we can do whatever we want in the ME, and Russia won't do anything about it is when respect went out the window. Assuming that there ever was any?
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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

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    So is it your contention that Russia is not bound by any of it's prior Soviet era treaty obligations and that conversely the United States is also not bound by them?
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    Obviously.
    Try again. I love it when people think their opinion is correct because its their OPINION. A little research could save some .

    TREATY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS ON THE ELIMINATION OF THEIR INTERMEDIATE-RANGE AND SHORTER-RANGE MISSILES

    Following the December 25, 1991, dissolution of the Soviet Union, the United States sought to secure continuation of full implementation of the INF Treaty regime and to multilateralize the INF Treaty with twelve former Soviet republics which the United States considers INF Treaty successors.2 Of the twelve successor states, six -- Belarus, Kazakstan, Russia, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan -- have inspectable INF facilities on their territory. Of these six, four -- Belarus, Kazakstan, Russia, and Ukraine -- are active participants in the process of implementing the Treaty. With the agreement of the other Parties, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, each with only one inspectable site on its territory, while participants, have assumed a less active role, foregoing attendance at sessions of the SVC and participation in inspections.

    The multilateralizing of what was previously a bilateral U.S.-Soviet INF Treaty required establishing agreements between the United States and the governments of the relevant Soviet successor states on numerous issues. In the SVC and through diplomatic contacts with the actively participating successor states, the United States worked to secure agreements to ensure continuation of the viability of the Treaty regime and to assure the exercise by the United States of its rights under the Treaty. Among the tasks undertaken were: arrangements for the settlement of costs connected with implementation activities in the new, multilateral Treaty context; the establishment of new points of entry (POE's) in Belarus, Kazakstan, and Ukraine through which to conduct inspections of the former INF facilities in those countries; and the establishment of communications links between the United States and those countries for transmission of various Treaty-related notifications. Other issues that have been discussed in the SVC include multilateral operating procedures for the SVC's concurrent continuous monitoring under the START I and INF Treaties, and inspection procedures for new missiles exiting from the Votkinsk Machine Building Plant in Russia.
    INF TREATY
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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Try again. I love it when people think their opinion is correct because its their OPINION. A little research could save some .



    INF TREATY
    Neither party has any respect for that antiquated treaty which no longer serves their interests.


    On February 10, 2007, Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin declared that the INF Treaty no longer serves Russia's interests. On February 14, ITAR-Tass and Interfax quoted General Yuri Baluyevsky, the Russian military's chief of general staff, as saying that Russia could pull out of the INF, and that the decision would depend on the United States' actions with its proposed Ground-Based Midcourse Defense missile defense system, parts of which the U.S. at the time planned to deploy in Poland and the Czech Republic (since then, the plans have been abandoned in favor of different systems based on sea and in Romania, see National missile defense).


    For its part the United States is attempting to side step the treaty limits with sub launched intermediate-range missiles as one option for the Prompt Global Strike mission.[5]


    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter..._Forces_Treaty
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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Neither party has any respect for that antiquated treaty which no longer serves their interests.


    On February 10, 2007, Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin declared that the INF Treaty no longer serves Russia's interests. On February 14, ITAR-Tass and Interfax quoted General Yuri Baluyevsky, the Russian military's chief of general staff, as saying that Russia could pull out of the INF, and that the decision would depend on the United States' actions with its proposed Ground-Based Midcourse Defense missile defense system, parts of which the U.S. at the time planned to deploy in Poland and the Czech Republic (since then, the plans have been abandoned in favor of different systems based on sea and in Romania, see National missile defense).
    Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    From your source.

    In July 2014, the United States formally notified Russia of the breach, while Russian officials called the treaty unsuitable for Russia and unfair because other countries in Asia had such weapons.
    So Putin's word alone is law? Don't think so...

    One can't unilaterally and legally wash their hands of a treaty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    For its part the United States is attempting to side step the treaty limits with sub launched intermediate-range missiles as one option for the Prompt Global Strike mission.[5]
    Side-step?

    The treaty eliminated nuclear and conventional ground-launched ballistic and cruise missiles with intermediate ranges, defined as between 500-5,500 km (300-3,400 miles).
    Category:Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty - Wikimedia Commons
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    Re: U.S.: Russia Violated Treaty By Testing Cruise Missile

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    From your source.



    So Putin's word alone is law? Don't think so...

    One can't unilaterally and legally wash their hands of a treaty.



    Side-step?



    Category:Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty - Wikimedia Commons
    Yes. Putin has determined that that old treaty no longer serves the interests of Russia, not unlike anything the US has done before, often, cutting our teeth on the dozens of broken treaties with the Native American tribes who's lands we appropriated. I'm sure Obamas letter on Monday has Putin concerned.


    When the US decides a treaty is no longer serving our purpose we withdraw.



    The Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM Treaty or ABMT) was a treaty between the United States and the Soviet Union on the limitation of the anti-ballistic missile (ABM) systems used in defending areas against missile-delivered nuclear weapons. Under the terms of the treaty, each party was limited to two ABM complexes, each of which were to be limited to 100 anti-ballistic missiles.[1]

    Signed in 1972, it was in force for the next 30 years. Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, in 1997 the United States and four former Soviet republics agreed to succeed to the treaty. In June 2002 the United States withdrew from the treaty, leading to its termination.
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