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Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

American said:
I know what you spoke on, and you insinuated that people should have known from the first video what the second video showed. How could they have known?
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I'm saying that it should had not taken the second video for people to realize how Rice's girlfriend became unconscious...knowing that he admitted to DV.

Maybe I'm dead wrong that people should have enough snap to figure stuff out.
 
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1750Texan said:
Why did it take seeing the video inside the elevator to deduce what happened in the elevator?

What did people believe happened to Rice's GF in the elevator for Rice to drag her unconscious body out into the lobby?
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Because he said she was drunk and was aggressive with him first. However if you see the tape you can see she never put her hands on him. She moved towards him( looked like she was gonna get in his face and yell) and he pushes her off and then punches her.
 
AJiveMan said:
Don't you think men should change their attitudes towards women in general, that it's not okay to beat your wife or your girlfriend? and not just sports figures either.
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Yes, of course I do. I was simply responding to THIS particular case. Sorry if that was unclear.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Tell that to Donte Stallworth. Or Josh Brent. Both of whom drove under the influence and killed a person. There was still room in the NFL for them.

Ray Rice will most likely back next year with a team that won't care about the controversy.
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While awful, what Brent did was not with intent. He made a horribly bad decision, but did not willfully intend to hurt anyone, especially his best friend.

I still can't believe Ray Lewis was allowed to play after willfully covering up a murder.

What Rice did was willful, and in today's society, far more unacceptable than a DWI.
 
In a post from her Instagram page Tuesday morning, and verified by the Baltimore Sun, Janay Rice writes, "I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend. But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself."

She continued, "No one knows the pain that the media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his ass of for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific."

Rice ended the post by saying, "THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"
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Ray Rice's Wife -- Hey Media, YOU Ruined Our Lives | TMZ.com

From multi-millionaire to unemployable in a day.
 
1750Texan said:
I'm saying that it should had not taken the second video for people to realize how Rice's girlfriend became unconscious...knowing that he admitted to DV.

Maybe I'm dead wrong that people should have enough snap to figure stuff out.
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It was 'figured out' but there was no proof.

Proof is (supposed to be) required before convicting someone.
 
herenow1 said:
Because he said she was drunk and was aggressive with him first. However if you see the tape you can see she never put her hands on him. She moved towards him( looked like she was gonna get in his face and yell) and he pushes her off and then punches her.
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I disagree...it looks like she elbowed him in the face or chin.
 
SMTA said:
We are not talking about men, but women.

Sounds as if you want to throw out gender if any altercation occurs, and support full on fisticuffs.

So if a woman slaps you, do you agree with responding immediately with closed fist blows?
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No you respond with the same type of hit and force she gave to you, but to stand there and take it is not right.
 
Erod said:
While awful, what Brent did was not with intent. He made a horribly bad decision, but did not willfully intend to hurt anyone, especially his best friend.

I still can't believe Ray Lewis was allowed to play after willfully covering up a murder.

What Rice did was willful, and in today's society, far more unacceptable than a DWI.
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I dunno about that....see how you feel if it's your kid killed. Or mother or brother or....

We all know that drinking and driving kills. It's a willful act to do that.

I see what you're saying but dont necessarily agree with the lack of accountability.
 
Mason66 said:
No you respond with the same type of hit and force she gave to you, but to stand there and take it is not right.
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He was in no danger.

There are many many times when people can back off, not react with force, and a situation will diffuse itself.

As a matter of fact, I bet he wishes he had done just that.....
 
1750Texan said:
Why did it take seeing the video inside the elevator to deduce what happened in the elevator?

What did people believe happened to Rice's GF in the elevator for Rice to drag her unconscious body out into the lobby?
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She could have been drunk. That is the first thing I would have thought of seeing the video for the first time.

Being that he was so strong, why did he drag her out of the elevator instead of carry her out.
 
Lursa said:
I dunno about that....see how you feel if it's your kid killed. Or mother or brother or....

We all know that drinking and driving kills. It's a willful act to do that.

I see what you're saying but dont necessarily agree with the lack of accountability.
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I agree with you. A DWI that results in the death of an innocent person in my opinion is willful. It wasn't intentional, but it was most certainly willful.
 
Lursa said:
He was in no danger.

There are many many times when people can back off, not react with force, and a situation will diffuse itself.

As a matter of fact, I bet he wishes he had done just that.....
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I bet so to, but I was responding to the question of a woman slapping a man, not this case in particular.
 
Mason66 said:
I bet so to, but I was responding to the question of a woman slapping a man, not this case in particular.
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Yes but I think backing off and diffusing is smarter and better. If you're not in danger. Plus if you respond in kind....it escalates. It only ends if, as in the elevator incident....you completely disable them. Is that where you want it to go? Possibly killing them?

Do you want to be 'right' or do you want to stay out of jail and avoid legal fees? (Not to mention that it's better for the relationship...you dont fix anything with violence)
 
Lursa said:
Yes but I think backing off and diffusing is smarter and better. If you're not in danger. Plus if you respond in kind....it escalates. It only ends if, as in the elevator incident....you completely disable them. Is that where you want it to go? Possibly killing them?

Do you want to be 'right' or do you want to stay out of jail and avoid legal fees? (Not to mention that it's better for the relationship...you dont fix anything with violence)
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I wish women were taught this.
 
It's not the DWI, it's the killing of a person, willful or not. At least Ray Rices wife gets to go on living.

Erod said:
While awful, what Brent did was not with intent. He made a horribly bad decision, but did not willfully intend to hurt anyone, especially his best friend.

I still can't believe Ray Lewis was allowed to play after willfully covering up a murder.

What Rice did was willful, and in today's society, far more unacceptable than a DWI.
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Mason66 said:
I wish women were taught this.
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I agree but my original statement really did have men in mind, not domestic relationships.

It applies to any fight and while women do get into physical fights, it's not remotely as often as men....because the men tend to feel they have something to prove. So walking away is the opposite of what they are geared to do....seems unmasculine.

But it would save them a whole lot of heartache and opportunities in life if they learned it earlier...or ever....that walking away can save you jail time, tons of legal $$$, and from a felony record that keeps you out of college or from the better jobs.

Like I said...IMO it's better to be smart than right.

Lursa said:
He was in no danger.

There are many many times when people can back off, not react with force, and a situation will diffuse itself.

As a matter of fact, I bet he wishes he had done just that.....
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Mason66 said:
No you respond with the same type of hit and force she gave to you, but to stand there and take it is not right.
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Why? Beyond restraining your attacker, what benefit is provided by hitting back?
 
Mason66 said:
No you respond with the same type of hit and force she gave to you, but to stand there and take it is not right.
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I look at all threats equally, armed or unarmed - use the necessary amount of force to quickly mitigate the threat.
 
Deuce said:
Why? Beyond restraining your attacker, what benefit is provided by hitting back?
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Making sure they know they will get what they dish out, that way they won't hit you again.
 
I was taught not to hit girls, but even as a small child I understood that if a girl hits me first, she is no longer a girl and she gets hit.

Since women's lib, there have been more girlillas that think it is OK to strike other people.

If they thought they would get hit back, a lot of them wouldn't do that.
 
Mason66 said:
I was taught not to hit girls, but even as a small child I understood that if a girl hits me first, she is no longer a girl and she gets hit.

Since women's lib, there have been more girlillas that think it is OK to strike other people.

If they thought they would get hit back, a lot of them wouldn't do that.
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Do you have a patent on 'girlillas'? :mrgreen:
 
Ocean007 said:
Yes, of course I do. I was simply responding to THIS particular case. Sorry if that was unclear.
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Actually, it does not matter one iota, knowing what Mrs. Rice has come out and said.

IDK, if my mate clocked me I'd be filing divorce and protection papers.
 
AJiveMan said:
Actually, it does not matter one iota, knowing what Mrs. Rice has come out and said.

IDK, if my mate clocked me I'd be filing divorce and protection papers.
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Same here, but this may not have been the first time Rice used physical violence against his wife.
 
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