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Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

Even if she "instigated", who cares? Where's the need to use deadly force?

The vast majority of the time when you hit someone one it isn't going to kill them or even knock them out. For that matter I somehow doubt many of you people have been in situation where you had to defend yourself. Your opponent might be smaller than you, but you still feel the need to defend yourself specially when they are charging at you like she was. If she didn't charge more than likely he wouldn't have punched her at all.
 
The vast majority of the time when you hit someone one it isn't going to kill them or even knock them out.

If you're not an NFL starting running back and it's 100lb female. He hit her in the face.
 
We don't need that to understand the why and how of domestic violence.
no we don't but you want to put into a larger contextual picture of the relationship; Rice's other behaviors, one does. we are going on a moment in time, and endless video loop. my point is the fixation,allows the media to fix it as "the story"
context should matter - not in a criminal sense, but for private punitive reasoning.
 
no we don't but you want to put into a larger contextual picture of the relationship; Rice's other behaviors, one does. we are going on a moment in time, and endless video loop. my point is the fixation,allows the media to fix it as "the story"
context should matter - not in a criminal sense, but for private punitive reasoning.

:screwy

Do you have a point?
 
If you're not an NFL starting running back and it's 100lb female. He hit her in the face.

You seriously don't get it at all. I'm 5'10 215 and in similar shape to Ray, and I assure you that when I feel like my safety is in danger it doesn't matter if you're 100 pounds or female. If you're charging at me I will feel like my safety is in danger and I will strike to deal with the threat. It doesn't matter if you are an actual threat to my safety or not, because that is not how my mind will treat you charging at me. If you don't want hit in the face don't charge at someone. If you honestly think charging at someone will end well for you, go ahead and do it. Go ahead and see how many people will strike. I'm guessing a good percentage of them will knock you the hell out.
 
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You seriously don't get it at all. I'm 5'10 215 and in similar shape to Ray, and I assure you that when I feel like my safety is in danger it doesn't matter if you're 100 pounds. If you're charging at me I will feel like my safety is in danger and I will strike to deal with the threat. It doesn't matter if you are an actual threat to my safety or not, because that is not how my mind will treat you charging at me. If you don't want hit in the face don't charge at someone.

Blahblahblah. If I hit a 100lb female clean in the face, it will knock her out, it might kill her. I can't imagine doing it even against her having a knife. A girlfriend and not a stranger attacking with deadly force? Ludicrous.
 
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Blahblahblah. If I hit a 100lb female clean in the face, I will knock her out, it might kill her. I can't imagine doing it even against her having a knife. A girlfriend? Ludicrous.

Is she really 100lbs? She looks heavier than that. I'm not going to rule anything out as if my mind will be taking into account all of these factors and be completely rational when someone charges me. Social norms and all that nonsense usually goes out the window in these situations.
 
Is she really 100lbs? She looks heavier than that. I'm not going to rule anything out as if my mind will be taking into account all of these factors and be completely rational when someone charges me. Social norms and all that nonsense usually goes out the window in these situations.

A clean sucker punch to the head from a full grown male (let alone NFL vs. small female) ought be life threatening.
 
A clean sucker punch to the head from a full grown male (let alone NFL vs. small female) ought be life threatening.

How was it a sucker punch? He threw the punch off his back foot while backing up and she was clearly charging at him head first. How is it a sucker punch when she was clearly out to cause him bodily harm?
 
Unexpected and clean. Perhaps he had too many concussions and wanted to share.

If you're charging at someone you better expect a punch to the head. Why would you just assume the other party isn't going to defend themselves? Because they're bigger than you? That doesn't make any sense.
 
Career over. Future over. And now that the check just dried up, marriage over.
 
If you're charging at someone you better expect a punch to the head.

He could be charged with attempted 2nd degree. He used deadly force without cause and is the aggressor.
 
He could be charged with attempted 2nd degree. He used deadly force without cause and is the aggressor.

Without cause? From what I saw she struck first, after he spit on her. After she struck he backed away and at that point she charged. Do you actually understand how people respond to situations when they feel like they need to defend themselves?
 
I don't care how the contracts are written or what he did.

I do not think it is any business of the NFL's what a player does in his spare time.


I thought Vick was a pig (as Rice seems to be) and a sick man for what he did.

But I still thought it was none of the NFL's business.


Now, if the owner of the team in question thinks keeping Vick or Rice employed will hurt the bottom line - then by all means dump him.
But that is up to the owner, not the league to make a moral judgement, imo.
 
I don't care how the contracts are written or what he did.

I do not think it is any business of the NFL's what a player does in his spare time.


I thought Vick was a pig (as Rice seems to be) and a sick man for what he did.

But I still thought it was none of the NFL's business.


Now, if the owner of the team in question thinks keeping Vick or Rice employed will hurt the bottom line - then by all means dump him.
But that is up to the owner, not the league to make a moral judgement, imo.

The league is a business, and it has a right to protect its image.

Playing pro football is not a right. It's a privilege.
 
Aggravated lethal force without cause, he's the aggressor and previous conflict is assumed.

The only previous conflict I saw is her pushing him before they entered the elevator.
 
Can you really believe we are up to about four posters defending Rice or saying it's personal business?
NFL ratings are down--the one group the NFL wanted to grow in was women--oops.
Aggravated lethal force without cause, he's the aggressor and previous conflict is assumed.
I am happy with the attempts by the refs to get control of the game ON the field.

Here's a few trial balloons.

Allow a taxi squad guy to suit up at halftime if a guy at his position is permanently knocked out in the 1st half and the league verifies it.
Keep the clocked stopped when going out-of-bounds the entire 40 seconds.
Go with the longer extra point.
Look at stopping the clock for 15 seconds with a first down.
Stretch the chuck rule to 10 yards.
Eliminate the pick/rub penalty.
Call Peyton every time he moves to incite the defense to jump .
 
Can you really believe we are up to about four posters defending Rice or saying it's personal business?
NFL ratings are down--the one group the NFL wanted to grow in was women--oops.

I am happy with the attempts by the refs to get control of the game ON the field.

Here's a few trial balloons.

Allow a taxi squad guy to suit up at halftime if a guy at his position is permanently knocked out in the 1st half and the league verifies it.
Keep the clocked stopped when going out-of-bounds the entire 40 seconds.
Go with the longer extra point.
Look at stopping the clock for 15 seconds with a first down.
Stretch the chuck rule to 10 yards.
Eliminate the pick/rub penalty.
Call Peyton every time he moves to incite the defense to jump .

First off, where in the hell did you see that NFL ratings were down? This year's superbowl was the most watched ever... you gotta be smoking something.

And you know the one person who is really going to suffer for all this? The NOW wife. Her meal ticket and life of happiness just got flushed down the toilet because everyone else thought they should feel bad for her. She didn't want any of this.
 
I don't care how the contracts are written or what he did.

I do not think it is any business of the NFL's what a player does in his spare time.


I thought Vick was a pig (as Rice seems to be) and a sick man for what he did.

But I still thought it was none of the NFL's business.


Now, if the owner of the team in question thinks keeping Vick or Rice employed will hurt the bottom line - then by all means dump him.
But that is up to the owner, not the league to make a moral judgement, imo.


And an employer has the right to fire employees for any legal reason in an at-will state....and for cause in other states. This may well fall under 'cause,' esp. if he gets charged.

Edit: sorry, didnt process the last part of your post earlier. Concur but also still see the League having vested business and image interests.
 
First off, where in the hell did you see that NFL ratings were down?
On sports television today--it's an easy Google.
This year's superbowl was the most watched ever
That Super Bowl was last year and was a disaster for the NFL--setting it back several years.
you gotta be smoking something.
I can't speak to this .
 
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