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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean007 View Post
    Same here, but this may not have been the first time Rice used physical violence against his wife.
    If so, I'd be afraid, very afraid for my life.

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    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Being that he was so strong, why did he drag her out of the elevator instead of carry her out.
    Why did he not call for medical assistance instead of dragging her out of the elevator?

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If she hit him first he has the right to defend himself. Just because he knocked her the hell out doesn't affect anything. She shouldn't have started a fight with someone she wasn't capable of beating.
    No sane person could watch that video and claim that Ray Rice was acting in a "defensive" manner. The guy went on full out OFFENSE. There was nothing defensive about it at all.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    No sane person could watch that video and claim that Ray Rice was acting in a "defensive" manner. The guy went on full out OFFENSE. There was nothing defensive about it at all.
    To me it looked like maybe outside the elevator she slapped him in the face. Inside the elevator he came up to her, he did or said something, she reacted by hitting him or moving to hit him, and he hit her. He then backed away and she advanced towards him, at which point he swings again and moves away. It actually appears that she was knocked out by hitting the wall of the elevator or maybe the handrail. Rice did seem to take a "defensive posture" before she started advancing and it is absurd to say someone backing away is going "full out offense" as that is the exact opposite. What I see is two people who got into a physical altercation and one of them knocked the other into something.

    Honestly, the video showed pretty much what I expected to see from the reports a few months back. Presenting this as a case of a man abusing a woman is incredibly simplistic and, honestly, kind of sexist. Were it a man he inadvertently knocked out, even a man weaker and smaller than his fiancé, the reaction would be completely different and few here would be talking about it at all (unless the other guy was, like, a midget or something), let alone calling it abuse. Alternatively, if they were in a physical altercation and she hit him in such a way that he was inadvertently knocked unconscious in the same manner, there might even be a large number of people mocking him for it.
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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    If so, I'd be afraid, very afraid for my life.
    If I were Mrs. Rice, I would be very afraid at this point too, since her husband will be home a lot more often now.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Were it a man he inadvertently knocked out, even a man weaker and smaller than his fiancé, the reaction would be completely different and few here would be talking about it at all (unless the other guy was, like, a midget or something), let alone calling it abuse.
    But it wasn't a man Rice knocked out, was it. It was a woman, his then-fiancee, now wife. And I doubt his deliberate and brutal punch was "inadvertent." I saw the video too. Rice's punch sure looked intentional to me.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    To me it looked like maybe outside the elevator she slapped him in the face. Inside the elevator he came up to her, he did or said something, she reacted by hitting him or moving to hit him, and he hit her. He then backed away and she advanced towards him, at which point he swings again and moves away. It actually appears that she was knocked out by hitting the wall of the elevator or maybe the handrail. Rice did seem to take a "defensive posture" before she started advancing and it is absurd to say someone backing away is going "full out offense" as that is the exact opposite. What I see is two people who got into a physical altercation and one of them knocked the other into something.

    Honestly, the video showed pretty much what I expected to see from the reports a few months back. Presenting this as a case of a man abusing a woman is incredibly simplistic and, honestly, kind of sexist. Were it a man he inadvertently knocked out, even a man weaker and smaller than his fiancé, the reaction would be completely different and few here would be talking about it at all (unless the other guy was, like, a midget or something), let alone calling it abuse. Alternatively, if they were in a physical altercation and she hit him in such a way that he was inadvertently knocked unconscious in the same manner, there might even be a large number of people mocking him for it.
    It's only absurd if you ignore the context.

    This was the man's fiance. It's not like he was being confronted by a stranger so he knew that the only danger she presented to him in that moment was what she could inflict with her bare hands, which as witnessed in the video, was minimal. Also, he could have easily restrained her given his tremendous size and strength advantage. Also, when you say he "appeared to be backing away" looked more like he was maneuvering into position to land a devastating left hook to the jaw.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean007 View Post
    But it wasn't a man Rice knocked out, was it. It was a woman, his then-fiancee, now wife. And I doubt his deliberate and brutal punch was "inadvertent." I saw the video too. Rice's punch sure looked intentional to me.
    What seems to have knocked her out is that she fell onto the railing. There is no reason to believe that was intentional from looking at the video. Her being a woman should not mean she is free to attack a man with impunity or that we should not analyze this rationally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    It's only absurd if you ignore the context.

    This was the man's fiance. It's not like he was being confronted by a stranger so he knew that the only danger she presented to him in that moment was what she could inflict with her bare hands, which as witnessed in the video, was minimal. Also, he could have easily restrained her given his tremendous size and strength advantage. Also, when you say he "appeared to be backing away" looked more like he was maneuvering into position to land a devastating left hook to the jaw.
    The problem is that you are first and foremost interpreting it as an interaction between a man and a woman, rather than an interaction between two people. You are thus interpreting it in terms of domestic abuse, rather than in terms of a fight. Were this him just hitting her for "being mouthy" it would be one thing, but that was not the case here. Outside the elevator she appears to slap him and she looks like she is moving to slap him again in the elevator before he hits her.
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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post



    The problem is that you are first and foremost interpreting it as an interaction between a man and a woman, rather than an interaction between two people. You are thus interpreting it in terms of domestic abuse, rather than in terms of a fight. Were this him just hitting her for "being mouthy" it would be one thing, but that was not the case here. Outside the elevator she appears to slap him and she looks like she is moving to slap him again in the elevator before he hits her.
    So let me get this straight...

    You are telling me that the proper context to view this situation is NOT as an interaction between a man and a woman who were engaged and now married, BUT INSTEAD, no differently than if it were two male strangers who had gotten into a fist fight??

    Sorry, but I refuse to let go of logic, reason, and moral decency in order see it that way.

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