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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Why does it matter what the altercation was about? What justifies one person to hit another hard enough to knock them out? That's assault. Pure and simple. Whatever she violence she may have done to him, it cannot in any way equal knocking her out (certainly spitting doesn't). If it's judged that she assaulted him, so be it, but knocking a person out, is well beyond the pale of claiming self-defense against a woman who was using only her fists (and saliva).
    It's not 'assault, pure and simple'. There can be legitimate reasons for knocking someone out, or even shooting and killing them. This, however, is not one of them.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by John S View Post
    I'm not a Ravens fan, so I don't give a damn.
    So you don't care about guys knocking their wives/girlfriends out cold and dragging them out of an elevator? Apparently only Ravens fans should care about that?
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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So you don't care about guys knocking their wives/girlfriends out cold and dragging them out of an elevator? Apparently only Ravens fans should care about that?
    I'm a Ravens fan and I think Rice should be kicked out of the league.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Besides the fact that being unconscious is perhaps the only way to spend time in Atlantic City these days, the suspension while obscenely short is probably appropriate under a sports league's rules because the conduct has nothing to do with the game or the integrity of the game. Using any kind of illegal drug could impact on the integrity of the game.

    That said, your complaint should more appropriately be placed with the legal/justice system and question why Mr. Rice isn't in jail, doing serious time, for assault, attempted murder, etc. That's the true travesty in this case, in my view.
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    Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Besides the fact that being unconscious is perhaps the only way to spend time in Atlantic City these days, the suspension while obscenely short is probably appropriate under a sports league's rules because the conduct has nothing to do with the game or the integrity of the game. Using any kind of illegal drug could impact on the integrity of the game.

    That said, your complaint should more appropriately be placed with the legal/justice system and question why Mr. Rice isn't in jail, doing serious time, for assault, attempted murder, etc. That's the true travesty in this case, in my view.
    I can see that, as it hasn't even been proven that he knocked her out. He was shown dragging her off of an elevator, but she legitimately could have passed out drunk. She still married the dude. Why would she marry him just shortly after he knocked her out?

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    It's not 'assault, pure and simple'. There can be legitimate reasons for knocking someone out, or even shooting and killing them. This, however, is not one of them.
    Fair enough.
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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    There are some conflicting details on what actually transpired. In the police report it is implied that she hit him, though it is not clear who initiated the confrontation. Some eyewitness contradicted the police report and said she spit on him and he hit her with an uppercut. Medics apparently stated that aside from her losing consciousness, there were no apparent injuries. The video of him dragging her out of an elevator proves basically that she was knocked unconscious. Without knowing what the altercation was about and whether there was mutual violence passing judgment is inappropriate. I mean, we can say that he treated his soon-to-be wife in a horrifically unceremonious fashion after knocking her out, but beyond that we have no more to go on here.
    I am a chauvinist. I dont mind saying that there is NO 'reason' for a man to hit a woman. Ever. I'd sooner get my ass kicked by a girl than raise my hand to her.

    The simple fact is that if the NFL is going to engage in bad conduct penalties above and beyond what the law administers, then this is a pretty sickening sentence. Ray Rice doesnt say "I didnt do anything wrong". He says "whooopsie...Sorry...." I think a half a season at least if not a full season would have been better.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I can see that, as it hasn't even been proven that he knocked her out. He was shown dragging her off of an elevator, but she legitimately could have passed out drunk. She still married the dude. Why would she marry him just shortly after he knocked her out?
    I'm the last person to explain the special kind of rationale that permeates the female brain.
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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I can see that, as it hasn't even been proven that he knocked her out. He was shown dragging her off of an elevator, but she legitimately could have passed out drunk. She still married the dude. Why would she marry him just shortly after he knocked her out?
    Many battered women feel responsible for the violence and therefore are able to forgive and forget.
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    Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm the last person to explain the special kind of rationale that permeates the female brain.
    Even if she did pass out drunk, it does look bad to see him nonchalantly dragging her off the elevator. I can understand the judgement on that one, justified or not.

    Ray Rice is washed up anyway though. I wanted the Ravens to get rid of him even before this whole deal.
    Last edited by The Man; 07-28-14 at 07:45 PM.

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