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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    we're never privy to what couples think,
    We don't need that to understand the why and how of domestic violence.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Even if she "instigated", who cares? Where's the need to use deadly force?
    The vast majority of the time when you hit someone one it isn't going to kill them or even knock them out. For that matter I somehow doubt many of you people have been in situation where you had to defend yourself. Your opponent might be smaller than you, but you still feel the need to defend yourself specially when they are charging at you like she was. If she didn't charge more than likely he wouldn't have punched her at all.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The vast majority of the time when you hit someone one it isn't going to kill them or even knock them out.
    If you're not an NFL starting running back and it's 100lb female. He hit her in the face.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We don't need that to understand the why and how of domestic violence.
    no we don't but you want to put into a larger contextual picture of the relationship; Rice's other behaviors, one does. we are going on a moment in time, and endless video loop. my point is the fixation,allows the media to fix it as "the story"
    context should matter - not in a criminal sense, but for private punitive reasoning.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    no we don't but you want to put into a larger contextual picture of the relationship; Rice's other behaviors, one does. we are going on a moment in time, and endless video loop. my point is the fixation,allows the media to fix it as "the story"
    context should matter - not in a criminal sense, but for private punitive reasoning.


    Do you have a point?

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If you're not an NFL starting running back and it's 100lb female. He hit her in the face.
    You seriously don't get it at all. I'm 5'10 215 and in similar shape to Ray, and I assure you that when I feel like my safety is in danger it doesn't matter if you're 100 pounds or female. If you're charging at me I will feel like my safety is in danger and I will strike to deal with the threat. It doesn't matter if you are an actual threat to my safety or not, because that is not how my mind will treat you charging at me. If you don't want hit in the face don't charge at someone. If you honestly think charging at someone will end well for you, go ahead and do it. Go ahead and see how many people will strike. I'm guessing a good percentage of them will knock you the hell out.
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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You seriously don't get it at all. I'm 5'10 215 and in similar shape to Ray, and I assure you that when I feel like my safety is in danger it doesn't matter if you're 100 pounds. If you're charging at me I will feel like my safety is in danger and I will strike to deal with the threat. It doesn't matter if you are an actual threat to my safety or not, because that is not how my mind will treat you charging at me. If you don't want hit in the face don't charge at someone.
    Blahblahblah. If I hit a 100lb female clean in the face, it will knock her out, it might kill her. I can't imagine doing it even against her having a knife. A girlfriend and not a stranger attacking with deadly force? Ludicrous.
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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Blahblahblah. If I hit a 100lb female clean in the face, I will knock her out, it might kill her. I can't imagine doing it even against her having a knife. A girlfriend? Ludicrous.
    Is she really 100lbs? She looks heavier than that. I'm not going to rule anything out as if my mind will be taking into account all of these factors and be completely rational when someone charges me. Social norms and all that nonsense usually goes out the window in these situations.

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    Re: Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is she really 100lbs? She looks heavier than that. I'm not going to rule anything out as if my mind will be taking into account all of these factors and be completely rational when someone charges me. Social norms and all that nonsense usually goes out the window in these situations.
    A clean sucker punch to the head from a full grown male (let alone NFL vs. small female) ought be life threatening.

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