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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The stories about the flight being 300 miles off course while being escorted by the Ukraines only adds to the mystery
    Exactly.

    And it is oh-so-telling that the Ukraine government refuses to release for international scrutiny the radar and voice records from ATC. It will not say who and why gave MH17 different routing to what it had filed, and it will not say why the aircraft was descended down to the next lower flight level. The pilot did not request a lower altitude as FL350 is the optimum altitude for such a flight.

    If they have nothing to hide, why are they hiding that? If the records would support their chosen position, why are they refusing to release the records?

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The pilot did not request a lower altitude as FL350 is the optimum altitude for such a flight.
    Please tell us why FL350 is optimum HD. And how you know the pilot didn't request it if the tapes haven't been released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Please tell us why FL350 is optimum HD. And how you know the pilot didn't request it if the tapes haven't been released.
    The flight plan requested FL350, but was denied.

    It also emerged that flight MH17 had initially filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000ft above Ukrainian territory. On entering Ukrainian airspace, however, the plane's pilots were instructed to fly at 33,000ft by the local air traffic control due to other traffic. Malaysia Airlines said the pilots had to follow the lead of the local authorities.

    In a statement here, MAS explained that MH17 had initially filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000 feet above Ukrainian territory, which it described as close to the “optimum altitude”. - See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/ma....aiQSgDJj.dpuf

    Pilots' group president says MH17 shot down after attempt to avoid storms | World news | The Observer
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The flight plan requested FL350, but was denied.

    It also emerged that flight MH17 had initially filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000ft above Ukrainian territory. On entering Ukrainian airspace, however, the plane's pilots were instructed to fly at 33,000ft by the local air traffic control due to other traffic. Malaysia Airlines said the pilots had to follow the lead of the local authorities.

    In a statement here, MAS explained that MH17 had initially filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000 feet above Ukrainian territory, which it described as close to the “optimum altitude”. - See more at: Ukraine air traffic controllers instructed MH17 to fly lower, MAS says | Malaysia | The Malay Mail Online

    Pilots' group president says MH17 shot down after attempt to avoid storms | World news | The Observer
    No ATC tapes those are just claims, I thought you were all about certainties.
    I will wait for HD to not answer me though.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    No ATC tapes those are just claims, I thought you were all about certainties.
    I will wait for HD to not answer me though.
    This is from a press conference, in which Malaysian airlines revealed their flight plan that they would have had prior, and wouldn't need Ukrainian ATC communications to know, think about that for a minute.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This is from a press conference, in which Malaysian airlines revealed their flight plan that they would have had prior, and wouldn't need Ukrainian ATC communications to know, think about that for a minute.
    And there were press conferences saying it was a missile.

    A flight plan altitude being changed when filed is not the same as an altitude being changed in flight, The article claims both. So was the actual change at the request of the pilots or from ATC?
    We haven't had a full investigation we don't know.

    If CTers have a logical theory and evidence why don't they put it forward?


    Still doesn't explain HD claims about FL350 being the optimal altitude for such a flight. And yes I read the article it doesn't say it WAS the optimal altitude for such a flight.
    HD on top of that is inferring the difference between FL350 and FL350 is significant somehow but of course he doesn't explain why or how.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    LOL...

    What if it's a forgery?
    The satellite tracking data on the missile isn't a forgery. The rebels destroying evidence is true. There's no evidence that points to anyone but the rebels and the Russians.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Investigators are being frustrated from reaching the crash site due to fighting between Ukraine and the separatists. Disinformation, rumors, claims and allegations, truths and half truths are emanating all around. There's motive for sabotage and intrigue, all parties involved (that's ALL apdst) are capable of deceit, so by any measure, for those wishing to be objective, dogmatic conclusion isn't yet possible.
    When anything more than anti-West conspiracy theories come to light, you be sure and let us know. m'kay?
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    And there were press conferences saying it was a missile.

    A flight plan altitude being changed when filed is not the same as an altitude being changed in flight, The article claims both. So was the actual change at the request of the pilots or from ATC?
    We haven't had a full investigation we don't know.

    If CTers have a logical theory and evidence why don't they put it forward?


    Still doesn't explain HD claims about FL350 being the optimal altitude for such a flight. And yes I read the article it doesn't say it WAS the optimal altitude for such a flight.
    HD on top of that is inferring the difference between FL350 and FL350 is significant somehow but of course he doesn't explain why or how.
    The link I posted from the Malaysian airline says FL350 is the optimum altitude. Malaysian airlines isn't making claims as to blame, this is just data.

    What are CTers?

    The difference between FL350 and FL330 is 2,000 feet.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The link I posted from the Malaysian airline says FL350 is the optimum altitude. Malaysian airlines isn't making claims as to blame, this is just data.
    Try rereading that isn't what it said. And that doesn't mean that is the optimal altitude for every similar flight. (HD's Claim)
    MH17 had initially filed a flight plan requesting to fly at 35,000 feet above Ukrainian territory, which it described as close to the “optimum altitude”.
    They are referring to that specific flight not to that "type" of flight as HD claimed and close to is not what HD or you claimed.

    What are CTers?
    Conspiracy theorists

    The difference between FL350 and FL330 is 2,000 feet.
    Yes I know (though I'm not sure HD does) I am waiting for HD or you to explain how that 2000' is significant.
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