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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    At this point, there has been far to much interference and opportunity to destroy evidence. It seems unlikely that the people/government responsible will be found.
    The responsible party was foud the day the aircraft was shot down.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The responsible party was foud the day the aircraft was shot down.
    No, you mistook 'claims' for actuality.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, you mistook 'claims' for actuality.
    There's no mistaking what was said on that intercepted phone call.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no mistaking what was said on that intercepted phone call.
    LOL...

    What if it's a forgery?

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    I think we can safely say that this whole situation in Ukraine has been fishy since the Maidan movement started. Both sides are likely mobbed up and backed by oligarchs inside and outside Ukraine as well as each having backing from a foreign power seeking to dominate the country. There is no doubt these foreign powers are using their covert operatives to subvert and discredit the other side. We have seen many peculiar incidents from snipers shooting both sides to a group of police and citizens with medieval armor wearing red armbands and then disappearing after riling up a pro-Kiev rally in Odessa. In this environment of lies and machinations on both sides the best way to look at it is to consider who is most capable of achieving something and who is most likely to gain from it. Few of the most bizarre incidents have been beneficial to Russia or the rebels, including this shoot-down.

    The problem here is that, while Kiev can be easily blamed alone for any shoot-down, any blame on the other side has to include Russia. Even the U.S. concedes that the rebels would not be capable of using the Buk they presumably had. Kiev outright blames Russia for the shoot-down, while the U.S. insists there were either Russian experts brought on to operate it or it was otherwise done with Russian assistance. That actually makes the claim of a false identification less credible as Russian experts would be more likely to recognize a civilian airliner when they see it.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no mistaking what was said on that intercepted phone call.
    Investigators are being frustrated from reaching the crash site due to fighting between Ukraine and the separatists. Disinformation, rumors, claims and allegations, truths and half truths are emanating all around. There's motive for sabotage and intrigue, all parties involved (that's ALL apdst) are capable of deceit, so by any measure, for those wishing to be objective, dogmatic conclusion isn't yet possible.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Well that is only part of it..



    Well one of the theories is that there were Kiev fighters/aircraft near the Malaysian plane and the inexperienced rebels fired at these Kiev planes but missed.



    Well then explain why it is Kiev that is preventing an investigation? It is their aggression that is making it impossible for the international investigators to get to the site.
    What part of 'I don't know' did you not understand?

    Ask them.


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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I also read a link that the photo with the missile launcher was fake. An interview with residents said it was never there.

    Will we ever know the truth?
    Maybe the escorts took it down?
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I think your reasoning is completely sound...but I think the rebels probably did it by mistake.

    But I think the US/Ukraine leaders are delighted that it happened PLUS the fact that the Ukrainian government apparently did nothing to discourage civilian flights over the war zone strongly suggests they were hoping for the crash to occur so as to hurt the rebels cause.
    I base my analysis very much on the way the story was presented by the MSM here in the US. By sheer luck I happened to be home in front of the TV that Thursday evening, and watched all of the Big 3 in their coverage.

    What struck me was how certain they were about what they had been told by the Pentagon. Even though it was not 24 hours old, the MSM was as certain about what had happened as they were certain about a number of other stories that were mostly fictional.

    A proper thing to say would be to the effect that "we will wait until an investigation is completed", but those words were never uttered. They were hard into "slander mode" and of course the object was the Russians.

    And now a week later, it is ONLY the Russians who have provided any physical evidence at all, in this case radar tracks and records. The US, for all its Kerryesque Certainty, has failed to provide ANYTHING but lip service to international organizations.

    Just as Dubya had all the details about 911, whodunit & why, by that afternoon, the MSM painted in a nearly identical fashion regarding this event.

    This was a propaganda exercise, all the way. If sanctions won't bring Russia and Putin down, something else might.....

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Maybe the escorts took it down?
    It's of course one of many possible scenarios.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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