I think we can safely say that this whole situation in Ukraine has been fishy since the Maidan movement started. Both sides are likely mobbed up and backed by oligarchs inside and outside Ukraine as well as each having backing from a foreign power seeking to dominate the country. There is no doubt these foreign powers are using their covert operatives to subvert and discredit the other side. We have seen many peculiar incidents from snipers shooting both sides to a group of police and citizens with medieval armor wearing red armbands and then disappearing after riling up a pro-Kiev rally in Odessa. In this environment of lies and machinations on both sides the best way to look at it is to consider who is most capable of achieving something and who is most likely to gain from it. Few of the most bizarre incidents have been beneficial to Russia or the rebels, including this shoot-down.
The problem here is that, while Kiev can be easily blamed alone for any shoot-down, any blame on the other side has to include Russia. Even the U.S. concedes that the rebels would not be capable of using the Buk they presumably had. Kiev outright blames Russia for the shoot-down, while the U.S. insists there were either Russian experts brought on to operate it or it was otherwise done with Russian assistance. That actually makes the claim of a false identification less credible as Russian experts would be more likely to recognize a civilian airliner when they see it.
"For what is Evil but Good-tortured by its own hunger and thirst?"
- Khalil Gibran
Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy
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'What kind of sick and twisted toy factory is this?'
'We are all the sum of our tears. Too little and the ground is not fertile, and nothing can grow there. Too much, the best of us is washed away.'
"Better to be dead and cool, than alive and uncool."
32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
What struck me was how certain they were about what they had been told by the Pentagon. Even though it was not 24 hours old, the MSM was as certain about what had happened as they were certain about a number of other stories that were mostly fictional.
A proper thing to say would be to the effect that "we will wait until an investigation is completed", but those words were never uttered. They were hard into "slander mode" and of course the object was the Russians.
And now a week later, it is ONLY the Russians who have provided any physical evidence at all, in this case radar tracks and records. The US, for all its Kerryesque Certainty, has failed to provide ANYTHING but lip service to international organizations.
Just as Dubya had all the details about 911, whodunit & why, by that afternoon, the MSM painted in a nearly identical fashion regarding this event.
This was a propaganda exercise, all the way. If sanctions won't bring Russia and Putin down, something else might.....