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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Ok, if you have evidence that the Ukrainians shot the plane down, bring it forth.

    Also, it is not the "word alone" of the State Department. Rebel leaders even tweeted of their "victory" after the plane was hit (acknowledging that they fired on a plane, and that a plane was shot down) in the immediate aftermath of the crash. They then deleted their tweets once they saw what exactly they had shot down.
    Well, that's the point, nobody has evidence to be making any declarations. Speculating is one thing.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Hummm, just when you think we might positively know who did it??
    Agreed.

    What does the Ukraine have to hide?

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Ukraine | Gwynne Dyer

    Plus, since the rebels have no air assets, why would the Ukrainian forces have AA missiles in the area.

    Also, if Kiev did it and were caught, support for them would probably end. And since they seem to be winning the war then why take such a colossal chance?


    I am not saying they did not do it - I don't know. But logic tells me that the rebels did it by mistake and that Kiev couldn't be happier (especially considering no Ukrainian's were onboard MH17).

    But I could be wrong.
    I'm certainly not going to be one to dismiss the possibility of the separatists downing that plane accidentally. I would dismiss that they did it intentionally. As to a Kiev false flag action, they have the backing of the West, so any "evidence" connecting them to it would be denied and they would have the West calling it Russian propaganda. Also, Kiev could have moved SAM's to that location to be on hand for the plane that was being escorted off course so that it would fly right over the place that it did. Many possible scenarios, too early to be concluding anything though.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm certainly not going to be one to dismiss the possibility of the separatists downing that plane accidentally. I would dismiss that they did it intentionally. As to a Kiev false flag action, they have the backing of the West, so any "evidence" connecting them to it would be denied and they would have the West calling it Russian propaganda. Also, Kiev could have moved SAM's to that location to be on hand for the plane that was being escorted off course so that it would fly right over the place that it did. Many possible scenarios, too early to be concluding anything though.
    No matter who is actually responsible, the answer is not politically palatable to either Russia or the US. Therefore the actual "truth" coming out is doubtful at best.


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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The stories about the flight being 300 miles off course while being escorted by the Ukraines only adds to the mystery
    I also read a link that the photo with the missile launcher was fake. An interview with residents said it was never there.

    Will we ever know the truth?

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    No matter who is actually responsible, the answer is not politically palatable to either Russia or the US. Therefore the actual "truth" coming out is doubtful at best.
    Can you explain how it wouldn't be politically palatable to Russia were it to be found that Kiev downed this plane, hoping it to be blamed on the separatists. Or how it wouldn't be politically palatable to the US were it to be found that the separatists did indeed down the plane?
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Can you explain how it wouldn't be politically palatable to Russia were it to be found that Kiev downed this plane, hoping it to be blamed on the separatists. Or how it wouldn't be politically palatable to the US were it to be found that the separatists did indeed down the plane?
    It depends on what the truth is as far as who would find it unpalatable. It will be unpalatable to Russia, or it will be unpalatble to the US. That was my meaning. They won't both find the same answer wrong.


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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I also read a link that the photo with the missile launcher was fake. An interview with residents said it was never there.

    Will we ever know the truth?
    No, never will. At least not anytime soon.


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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It depends on what the truth is as far as who would find it unpalatable. It will be unpalatable to Russia, or it will be unpalatble to the US. That was my meaning. They won't both find the same answer wrong.
    I see, yes, I agree.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    No, never will. At least not anytime soon.
    It's quite possible that the truth will be known, but that it just won't be universally recognized as the truth.
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