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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    10 days later, my bet is that the Ukranian government did it with full support from its US and NATO handlers.

    They want to make Russia look bad, but it is Russia who has actually provided physical evidence in the way of radar data to the international community.

    All the US has to offer is lip service.

    Ukraine emulates the US by confiscating and holding the ATC records related to how the flight was handled, who gave it the new routing and altitude assignments.

    Except for the geography and players, it reminds me of Operation Northwoods.
    Full support of the US and Nato! Poppycock!

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That's the U.S. government led by Barack Obama, Of course.

    Everything bad that happens on this planet can be traced back to that group of people.
    And Putin is a saint right? LOL

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Problem is that it has been mostly the Kiev government that has prevented access to the site.. but the media dont report that much. It always security concerns that have prevented access... security concerns created by the Kiev government continuing the fighting in the area. The Kiev government could have stopped their advanced.. a ceasefire and put the whole burden on the separatists. They did not.. in fact they have gone out of their way to make sure that the pressure on the separatists in the area has increased and moved the front line closer and closer to the crash area.... and hence creating a lack of security for the investigators.
    Well that's interesting enough. I did mention several times early on that intentional downing of a civilian aircraft wouldn't advance the interests of the separatists, and would have the opposite effect of injury. As can be seen on this board where half or more have already satisfied themselves that the separatists did it and they are more the scum because of it. However, Kiev would have motive, for the express reason that if it could be blamed on the separatists of course it does injury to their cause, and gives the West leverage on Moscow.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Problem is that it has been mostly the Kiev government that has prevented access to the site.. but the media dont report that much. It always security concerns that have prevented access... security concerns created by the Kiev government continuing the fighting in the area. The Kiev government could have stopped their advanced.. a ceasefire and put the whole burden on the separatists. They did not.. in fact they have gone out of their way to make sure that the pressure on the separatists in the area has increased and moved the front line closer and closer to the crash area.... and hence creating a lack of security for the investigators.
    The stories about the flight being 300 miles off course while being escorted by the Ukraines only adds to the mystery
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I think your reasoning is completely sound...but I think the rebels probably did it by mistake.

    But I think the US/Ukraine leaders are delighted that it happened PLUS the fact that the Ukrainian government apparently did nothing to discourage civilian flights over the war zone strongly suggests they were hoping for the crash to occur so as to hurt the rebels cause.
    Both HD's and your theories are likely possibilities. Although, as a point of curiosity, what causes you to lean toward the separatists having accidentally dropped this plane?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Problem is that it has been mostly the Kiev government that has prevented access to the site.. but the media dont report that much. It always security concerns that have prevented access... security concerns created by the Kiev government continuing the fighting in the area. The Kiev government could have stopped their advanced.. a ceasefire and put the whole burden on the separatists. They did not.. in fact they have gone out of their way to make sure that the pressure on the separatists in the area has increased and moved the front line closer and closer to the crash area.... and hence creating a lack of security for the investigators.
    The priority of the Kyiev government must be ending the civil war via military victory as soon as possible. They simply cannot afford to delay military operations for the benefit of the investigation. Any slowing down of the offensive simply allows for more heavy equipment, more volunteers and more mercenaries to enter eastern Ukraine from Russia and costs more Ukrainian lives.

    The rebels shot the plane down, and it is the rebels who are refusing to allow unarmed investigators into the area.

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    And Putin is a saint right? LOL
    I think his sarcasm escaped you.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That's the U.S. government led by Barack Obama, Of course.

    Everything bad that happens on this planet can be traced back to that group of people.
    Probably the CIA. DOUBT they keep Barry in the loop.
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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    And Putin is a saint right?
    LOL



    Check with Henry David. He has all of the up to date, 100% accurate info on this.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 07-28-14 at 12:50 PM.

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    Re: Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Probably the CIA. DOUBT they keep Barry in the loop.



    It's the old plausible deniability thing.

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