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    Re: U.S. Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes

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    Human rights.
    Lol. Selective.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes

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    Lol. Selective.
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    Re: U.S. Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes

    The US should have never intervened, it was a mistake just like Iraq. All it did was get one of our diplomats killed and now there could be another spawning ground for terror there. When will we ever learn?

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    Re: U.S. Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    In part, former President George H.W. Bush understood what the two most recent Presidents (Bush and Obama) seemingly don't. One can't effortlessly make a country democratic simply by changing its leader. The outcomes in Iraq and Libya highlight the flawed assumption that regime change can transform an undemocratic country into a democracy.

    Ahead of the Persian Gulf War, some were demanding that democratization of Kuwait be a requirement for its liberation from Iraq. President Bush rejected such a requirement. He explained, "I did not think we should impose democracy on the Kuwaitis--rather, it was something which had to grow from within."

    Source: George Bush and Brent Scowcroft, A World Transformed, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1998, p.376.
    At least he was willing to say what he was willing to sacrifice American kids for. His buddies, both in the ME and Big Oil.

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    Re: U.S. Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    The US should have never intervened, it was a mistake just like Iraq. All it did was get one of our diplomats killed and now there could be another spawning ground for terror there. When will we ever learn?
    And, not only that, the UN resolution for use of force to protect Libyan civilians was abused/expanded for "regime change" which is where US/Russian relations really took a turn for the worse. And it's what made both China and Russia deny the US a resolution for the use of force in Syria, believing, and for good reason, that the US would try the same thing there. In fact going forward, we're going to see a lot of push back from both China and Russia on US military aggression. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And who authorized the US to lead that horse.
    Well they didnt in Libya I believe France took the lead on that one. Also worth pointing out that its not in our best interest to allow civil wars to ravage countries while we sit around and do nothing. See Syria.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: U.S. Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Well they didnt in Libya I believe France took the lead on that one. Also worth pointing out that its not in our best interest to allow civil wars to ravage countries while we sit around and do nothing. See Syria.
    Actually Syria is stabilizing so its the opposite of what youre advocating. If we had gone in there and took out Assad the place would be swarming with Al Queda fanatics by now.

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    Re: U.S. Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Well they didnt in Libya I believe France took the lead on that one. Also worth pointing out that its not in our best interest to allow civil wars to ravage countries while we sit around and do nothing. See Syria.
    France did take the lead. There wasn't too much opposition to the US/NATO execution of the use of force to protect Libyan civilians, until that is, it became apparent to China and Russia that the targeting was consistent with regime change, and not merely protection of civilians. Now, Libya is just another trashed country in our wake.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Actually Syria is stabilizing so its the opposite of what youre advocating. If we had gone in there and took out Assad the place would be swarming with Al Queda fanatics by now.
    True. But US covert support for the insurgents, which incidentally have been infested with AQ/MB/al Nusra for years now has allowed them to hang on now to the tune of 160,000 civilian deaths, unfortunately. And strengthen IS. Russia and China both correctly warned at the beginning of the Syrian conflict that US support for the rebels would cause the conflict to spill over into the entire region. And sure enough, take a look around.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Evacuates Embassy In Libya Amid Clashes

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And, not only that, the UN resolution for use of force to protect Libyan civilians was abused/expanded for "regime change" which is where US/Russian relations really took a turn for the worse. And it's what made both China and Russia deny the US a resolution for the use of force in Syria, believing, and for good reason, that the US would try the same thing there. In fact going forward, we're going to see a lot of push back from both China and Russia on US military aggression. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
    absolute correct. on the over play of the UN resolution on Libya (which was a bad idea, and we didn't have to enforce it).

    Regime change? how about ASASSINATION - call it what it was. Libya is in a slow motion civil war ; Qaddafi was vehemently anti-al-Qaida.
    The whole thing was a cluster, and Bengazi is the symptom of our madness

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