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POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

Paxaeon said:
Cycle 2016 has all the earmarks of an election where you vote for the candidate who will do the least possible damage to this already damaged country.
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That has been the modus operandi for the last 4 or 5 elections.

Most people were not voting for the person they felt was the BEST choice.
They were voting for the candidate they feared the least,
Or voting against the candidate they feared the most.

Which is a lose-lose scenario no matter how you look at it.

"They all suck, but dayyyumn - Mr. XXXXX is so frighteningly sucky I guess I have no other choice than to vote for the slightly less sucky Mr. YYYYYY."
 
haymarket said:
Poll: One-third say impeach Obama - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com




The ever increasing radicalization of the right becomes more and more obvious every day and now this poll clearly provides more evidence of the divide in America between the right and everyone else.

65% of Americans reject the political tactic of impeachment but a full one-third of the citizenry are more that willing to go down that road. Nearly one in five simply want to use it to advance their own political objections and need no actual crimes for the process.
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I would love to see that clown go down but impeach him for what?

It would be damn near impossible to impeach Obama - the only thing you can get Obama on are is executive orders and possibly charges of conspiracy..

Bill Clinton was easy - he was clearly guilty of perjury.

Obama will never take the stand and his council will blame everyone from the DOJ to Congress to Governors acting on their own...

IMO, right now they have enough evidence to bring the IRS and DOJ down - that is for sure..... If anyone has a half a brain that has powers to impeach the president (congress) then they should tackle the IRS and DOJ first and have them roll on Obama.

Also, I feel sad in a way because our government is almost some sort of organized crime ring like the mafia.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063568429 said:
That's exactly why the majority of people no longer like or trust Obama.
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We have a "One-World Government" adherent in charge, and that is causing him problems because we are a Republic with a Constitution, one of the best types of government, when it is adhered to. I think that the people who bought his slogan "Hope and Change" didn't realize what he had in mind, but they are waking up, and they don't like it - hence his drop in popularity and trust in the polls, IMO. Millions of people can't be wrong, and his agenda the correct one - that defies logic and common sense. We don't want an elite dictator ...every country that has one is failing, with the exception of North Korea, and who wants to live like those repressed people do? No one I know, and I know lots of people! :2mad:

Good morning, Mo. :2wave: Hope you're having a great weekend!
 
haymarket said:
Poll: One-third say impeach Obama - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com




The ever increasing radicalization of the right becomes more and more obvious every day and now this poll clearly provides more evidence of the divide in America between the right and everyone else.

65% of Americans reject the political tactic of impeachment but a full one-third of the citizenry are more that willing to go down that road. Nearly one in five simply want to use it to advance their own political objections and need no actual crimes for the process.
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I would love to see Obama impeached. He's made Nixon look like a saint. But it's just talk, the Republocrats won't actually try to hold accountability because they know that they're guilty of the same and if they open up the can of worms of responsibility; they're all sunk. So don't worry too much, it's just going to be talk and finger pointing.
 
Peter King said:
So? It is not a miracle that there are Republicans who dislike him so much that they would love to see him impeached but it says nothing about the legality of such a move.

In 2007 there was a USA today/Gallup opinion poll in which the question was asked:



36% said yes, impeach Bush, 62% said no. 3% were unsure.

Bush Administration

In 2006 it was 30% for impeachment to 69 against so it is nothing weird or strange to happen.
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And it was a Real Leader, Speaker Pelosi, who unequivocally took the impeachment of GWB off the table. Let's face it, the GOP will never be satisfied with the amount of revenge it exacts over the Nixon impeachment .
 
Ikari said:
I would love to see Obama impeached. He's made Nixon look like a saint. But it's just talk, the Republocrats won't actually try to hold accountability because they know that they're guilty of the same and if they open up the can of worms of responsibility; they're all sunk. So don't worry too much, it's just going to be talk and finger pointing.
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Another poster who blames both parties and acts like he rises above both of them, offering ZERO solutions .
 
The part that bothers me are the 35% of independents. Unless they're unaware of what is or is not a crime, they're just engaging in partisan hackery if they support impeachment. I guess they're not as independent as they claim.

Dragonfly said:
If we could impeach every single elected official in Washington DC I'd be all for it. Flush every single one of them and start fresh with all new people.
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Why do you think the new crop would be any different? They'd come from the same schools of thought, often the same actual schools, and they would have to sell their votes to the same corporate interests in order to fund their campaigns. Most of our elected officials are actually honorable people. But the process they have to go through in order to get elected and stay elected requires them to pay attention to a lot of other interests.

Μολὼν λαβέ;1063568425 said:
The reason? Obama thinks its OK to pick up his pen rather than seek consensus, because after all, that's how this whole system of government works. You can just have what you want and then blame others when you don't get it, unless of course you're a democrat.

Instead of capitulating like the dems did with Iraq, and then whining about their own actions, the Republicans are holding their ground.
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During his first few years, Obama sought consensus. He was told very clearly that there would never be any and that the primary goal of the right wing was to ensure that he wouldn't be re-elected. After being told that enough times, he stopped asking. I don't think you know what "capitulating" and "holding their ground" actually mean.

Helix said:
if we want to make the system work better, we need to eliminate gerrymandering nationwide. my own personal opinion is that we should also have a national discussion about eliminating political parties, too, but that one is almost as unlikely to gain any foothold.
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In order to do that, we'd probably need to get rid of first past the post voting. It almost necessarily forces us into a two party system. I like ranked ballots with instant runoff, personally.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063568425 said:
Based on your words it appears you didn't even read the article. Here's some help.

It's not just the right, 35% of the "radicalized" independents polled think Obama should be impeached as well. That's more than the total percent of those who would seek impeachment.

The reason? Obama thinks its OK to pick up his pen rather than seek consensus, because after all, that's how this whole system of government works. You can just have what you want and then blame others when you don't get it, unless of course you're a democrat.

Instead of capitulating like the dems did with Iraq, and then whining about their own actions, the Republicans are holding their ground.

Try looking at the whole picture. I know its difficult, but try. People are unhappy with Obama, period.



Fox News Poll: Voters say Obama exceeded authority, but oppose impeachment | Fox News



Anyway, there's no need to impeach Obama, voters everywhere can be heard at the polls in November.



Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™
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I don't call failing to govern "holding their ground" . Did you know that 1/4 of our embassies have no ambassador because the House will not confirm them? What possible reason can there be for that?
 
haymarket said:
Poll: One-third say impeach Obama - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com




The ever increasing radicalization of the right becomes more and more obvious every day and now this poll clearly provides more evidence of the divide in America between the right and everyone else.

65% of Americans reject the political tactic of impeachment but a full one-third of the citizenry are more that willing to go down that road. Nearly one in five simply want to use it to advance their own political objections and need no actual crimes for the process.
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One Third of Americans are stupid.
 
NIMBY said:
Another poster who blames both parties and acts like he rises above both of them, offering ZERO solutions .
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Both parties are to blame. Sorry if you don't like reality, but I'd suggest that's your problem. Continue thinking that voting for the lesser of two evils isn't voting for evil. That's your business. But don't think that such inane and vapid statements mean that you've made a debate point. You haven't.
 
a351 said:
How profound. Hey, look! Abuse by some Priests in the Catholic church! Let's put all priests in Prison! That's the amount of sense that your turd of a plan makes. Sorry if I'm the bearer of bad news.
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Is that a fair comparison? What percentage of priests were abusers? What percentage of politicians are. It is a good point that the system needs fixing, but it can never be fixed while those who broke it are in power. Your opposition to changing all politicians suggest that there is something special about them that is somehow or for some reason irreplaceable which of course is not the case.
 
Dragonfly said:
Just getting most people to even CONSIDER voting for somebody who is not a Rep or a Dem is like trying to turn sand into diamonds.

I fear nothing is going to change for a looooooooooooooooooong time.
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it won't. it should, though. i'm fairly convinced political parties are just going to continue to bring more problems than solutions.
 
Paschendale said:
In order to do that, we'd probably need to get rid of first past the post voting. It almost necessarily forces us into a two party system. I like ranked ballots with instant runoff, personally.
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though i do like the simplicity of whoever gets the most votes wins in one round, i'd definitely be willing to look at other ways of doing it. our monochromatic, "it's them or us, **** you if you can't take a joke" status quo is generating a lot of hyperpartisan bull****. it sucks that many political discussions can be boiled down to "i hate you, enemy. my side is right, your side is wrong. also, **** you, enemy." this is our country, not some sort of board game. we need to take a look at the parts of the system that aren't working.

edit to add : i don't mean to claim perfect objectivity, either. i'm just making an observation.
 
Paschendale said:
Why do you think the new crop would be any different?
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Because maybe, by actually holding the elected officials accountable, they'll start doing what they were elected to do.

Every time we re-elect somebody we basically condone their behavior.

If we fired the lot of them, the next group in might actually be frightened enough to do something lest they be fired too.

Also - I'm not suggesting we oust the Reps and Dems and replace them with more Reps and Dems.

That would surely not accomplish very much at all.
 
NIMBY said:
Another poster who blames both parties and acts like he rises above both of them, offering ZERO solutions .
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Both parties ARE to blame.

And what solutions do either party offer? None.

All they do is finger point, scream like babies, and cast blame back and forth like a ping pong ball.
 
haymarket said:
Poll: One-third say impeach Obama - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com




The ever increasing radicalization of the right becomes more and more obvious every day and now this poll clearly provides more evidence of the divide in America between the right and everyone else.

65% of Americans reject the political tactic of impeachment but a full one-third of the citizenry are more that willing to go down that road. Nearly one in five simply want to use it to advance their own political objections and need no actual crimes for the process.
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While I don't like Obama, it doesn't make sense to impeach him as it impeachment is a rather long process and his term is virtually over.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
While I don't like Obama, it doesn't make sense to impeach him as it impeachment is a rather long process and his term is virtually over.
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I suspect if the GOP takes the Senate in the fall elections - the tea party zealots on the right in the House will not be able to resist and they will at least try.
 
Dragonfly said:
Because maybe, by actually holding the elected officials accountable, they'll start doing what they were elected to do.

Every time we re-elect somebody we basically condone their behavior.

If we fired the lot of them, the next group in might actually be frightened enough to do something lest they be fired too.

Also - I'm not suggesting we oust the Reps and Dems and replace them with more Reps and Dems.

That would surely not accomplish very much at all.
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Throwing them all out wouldn't really be holding them accountable. It would mean you don't know their specific transgressions, and whatever they did, you condemn them equally. And who exactly do you plan to put in? People from fringe parties that the populace doesn't actually support? This sounds awfully tyrannical for a way to improve democratic elections.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
While I don't like Obama, it doesn't make sense to impeach him as it impeachment is a rather long process and his term is virtually over.
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Not to mention his ouster at this late date would accomplish nothing other than to put Biden in office (shudder). The best thing that can be done with this president is to (again shudder) give both houses of congress to the opposition. Let them neuter him through legislation.
 
haymarket said:
Poll: One-third say impeach Obama - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com




The ever increasing radicalization of the right becomes more and more obvious every day and now this poll clearly provides more evidence of the divide in America between the right and everyone else.

65% of Americans reject the political tactic of impeachment but a full one-third of the citizenry are more that willing to go down that road. Nearly one in five simply want to use it to advance their own political objections and need no actual crimes for the process.
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The truth is that there is no right wing movement to impeach Obama...for two reasons. One, even if the house of reps impeaches Obama as they did with Clinton, they know that it will go nowhere in the Senate....and two...they know that if Obama were impeached and kicked out of office...Joe Biden would become president at least until 2017. The left is merely pushing impeachment fears because they know the democrats in congress are in for a very bad day in the midterm elections in November and they feel that they only way they can inspire the left to come out and vote in large numbers is to make it about fears of impeachment.
 
haymarket said:
Poll: One-third say impeach Obama - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com




The ever increasing radicalization of the right becomes more and more obvious every day and now this poll clearly provides more evidence of the divide in America between the right and everyone else.

65% of Americans reject the political tactic of impeachment but a full one-third of the citizenry are more that willing to go down that road. Nearly one in five simply want to use it to advance their own political objections and need no actual crimes for the process.
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Actually I saw a report about this yesterday and it turns out that for nearly every president at this point in their second term, about 1/3 wanted impeachment regardless of which party the president was from. IIRC, Clinton 29%, Bush 31%, Obama 32%. All within a margin of error to each other.

I love to bash cons, but in this case it's entirely wrong to single them out.
 
The problem with impeachment is that it has nothing to do with the president being guilty or not. He can attack, avoid, destroy the Constitution all he wants. Trample on our rights, force us to buy health care, take actions he has absolutely no power to take, and it doesn't matter. All that matters is if there is political support to impeach him. That's a high hurdle, since most of the democrats support his action, or just don't have the guts to stand up for the people and the Constitution (republicans too).

And then what to you get? Joe Biden, Obama's greatest insurance policy.

And impeachment may not get you what you want. I think that if Clinton was removed from office, and Gore was able to campaign as a sitting president, he would have won the election.
 
Anthony60 said:
The problem with impeachment is that it has nothing to do with the president being guilty or not. He can attack, avoid, destroy the Constitution all he wants. Trample on our rights, force us to buy health care, take actions he has absolutely no power to take, and it doesn't matter. All that matters is if there is political support to impeach him. That's a high hurdle, since most of the democrats support his action, or just don't have the guts to stand up for the people and the Constitution (republicans too).

And then what to you get? Joe Biden, Obama's greatest insurance policy.

And impeachment may not get you what you want. I think that if Clinton was removed from office, and Gore was able to campaign as a sitting president, he would have won the election.
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That's the problem with the Democrats and the difference between the Democrats and Republicans.

Back in 1974 the Republicans had the cajones to approach Nixon and convince him it was time to step down and resign his office as POTUS.

And all Nixon did was lie about a third rate burglary that he wasn't involved in or knew about until after it happened and just talked about using the IRS to go after his political enemies. He never used the IRS but thought about doing so and it seems it's an impeachable offense to do so according to the Democrats.
 
APACHERAT said:
That's the problem with the Democrats and the difference between the Democrats and Republicans.
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/sigh

That's not the difference between Democrats and Republicans; that's the difference between politics 40 years ago and politics today. But god forbid anyone poke holes in your "Republicans always good, Democrats always bad" nonsense.
 
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