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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Here, let me just cut to the chase. It's a government. They suck up our money. They are a drain on the GDP. They contribute nothing to it. They produce nothing.


    Is this supposed to be a complete though? (Sic). Or is there a point in there? Maybe some context? So we can pay less?
    Your first assertion that government doesn't contribute to GDP is easily dispelled by the fact that the formula for GDP contains government spending:

    GDP = C + G + I + NX

    where:

    "C" is equal to all private consumption, or consumer spending, in a nation's economy
    "G" is the sum of government spending
    "I" is the sum of all the country's businesses spending on capital
    "NX" is the nation's total net exports, calculated as total exports minus total imports. (NX = Exports - Imports)

    My overall point is that the economy is highly dependent upon government investments, like roads, bridges, etc., but also the mechanics of government. Because I don't have to worry that my food, drugs and the airplane that I travel on are safe -- because a government inspector took care of that, I can focus on what I do. That makes an economy much more efficient.

    150 years ago, the government built canals that the private sector wouldn't build. That increased commerce and expansion in marvelous ways that certainly did contribute to economic activity. The same is true for the interstate highway system. To deny that government helps the economy is merely ideological blindness.

    Yes, I know that right-wingers cling to the faith like a religion that the government doesn't do anything good, just takes money and does nothing with it but even the most rudimentary review reveals that view is nonsense.
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    9/11 happened on Clinton's watch? The housing bubble occurred between 2005 and 2007. It must be, according to you, that one has the right to blame anything bad on the Democrats, no atter how long they left office.
    I never said 9/11 happened on Clinton's watch. You should read my post that you quoted again.

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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    I say impeach the voters that re-elected both GW Bush and Obama (the initial elections are forgivable...they were unknowns then).



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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The GOP fundraises to increase voter turn-out off of Impeaching President Obama--OKAY.
    The Democrats fundraise to increase voter turn-out defending the President against Impeachment--not Okay .
    No NIMBY. There's a huge difference between people on the right like Sarah Palin advocating impeachment - she holds no office - and the WH and virtually every ranking leftist member of Congress claiming the right is after impeachment.

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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I never said 9/11 happened on Clinton's watch. You should read my post that you quoted again.
    This is from post#232 (emphasis added):
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Paul Krugman would agree, because he's another full-on partisan.

    It started on "Bush's watch". Everything was on "Bush's watch" to the partisans. The fact that the actions of the recession (and 9/11, and the housing bubble) all happened during Clinton's "watch" are never mentioned by the partisans. It doesn't suit the talking points.

    By the way, Obama apparently doesn't have a "watch". Everything wrong in Obama's world is Bush's fault, just like everything wrong in Bush's world was Bush's fault. It wasn't Clinton's fault, none of it. It's always the predecessor's fault - unless of course the predecessor was a Democrat.
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    This is from post#232 (emphasis added):
    The fact that the actions of the recession (and 9/11, and the housing bubble) all happened during Clinton's "watch"

    The actions that caused.

    I'm not stupid. Obviously i know who was President on 9/11/01.

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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    First, try debating and not twisting other's words. What you are doing is what 10 year olds do. What I said was that Bush was not responsible for business cycles. Anyone who inferred that meant the predecessor was responsible would be stupid, so I know that's not what you could possible have meant. All presidents are not responsible for business cycles.

    Second, yes, Clinton raised taxes in 1994 and although Republicans said it would kill the economy, what followed was the biggest economic boom in history. To suggest that the 1994 tax increases caused the recession of 2001 would also be a stupid conclusion, so I know that isn't what you meant.
    Ah, just business cycles. But you don't want to be stupid about it, okay.
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Your first assertion that government doesn't contribute to GDP is easily dispelled by the fact that the formula for GDP contains government spending:

    GDP = C + G + I + NX
    You know that government just spends money that it takes from the private sector, right?

    My overall point is that the economy is highly dependent upon government investments, like roads, bridges, etc., but also the mechanics of government. Because I don't have to worry that my food, drugs and the airplane that I travel on are safe -- because a government inspector took care of that, I can focus on what I do. That makes an economy much more efficient.

    Yes, I know that right-wingers cling to the faith like a religion that the government doesn't do anything good, just takes money and does nothing with it but even the most rudimentary review reveals that view is nonsense.
    Roads and bridges, etc... go through government because nobody builds that stuff on their own. Private companies actually build them.
    I don't know where you got that last part. Government, under proper cantrol, can do a lot of good things. Our government is out of control.
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No NIMBY. There's a huge difference between people on the right like Sarah Palin advocating impeachment - she holds no office - and the WH and virtually
    every ranking leftist member of Congress claiming the right is after impeachment
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    Yeah...it ain't gonna happen
    Which is not to say he doesn't deserve it ... and ... it's not only ranking leftist members they have singing the same tune.
    When you have so many of 'em saying the same words, every sentient observer should realize what game they're playing.

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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This------------------^. That's the truth. It always seems to me like 1/3 is hard left, 1/3 is hard right, and 1/3 waffles around in the middle.
    Yup. From the OP:

    The numbers generally fall in line with CNN results from the past two presidencies — 30 percent of Americans support impeachment for former President George W. Bush in 2006 and 29 percent support impeachment for former President Bill Clinton in 1998.
    Thirty (give or take a few) definitely seems to be the magic number.

    To be fair, though, only 35% of Republicans thought it wouldn't be at all crazy to support impeachment in 2009. I guess the rest of them decided to wait for Obama to, you know, do stuff first.
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