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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes - of course - right on the money!!!!! Right wingers are true patriots who want the Constitution followed and everybody else are just godless commies who want to wipe their backside with the document. Thank you for honest commentary.
    Thanks for the non reply. Again, what do you think a "Right Winger" is? Because I certainly don't think that people that want the Constitution followed are a "winger" of any kind.
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Perhaps old-time conservatives believed in those things but not modern conservatives. During the Bush Administration, modern conservatives believed that deficits don't matter; they didn't believe in limited foreign intervention nor limiting the government's encroachment upon individual liberties and freedom. Back then, they were fine with Bush setting up "Free Speech Zones" a mile away -- roping off of protestors where nobody would hear them. They didn't care that Bush was tapping Americans' phones. It's all to keep us safe, they said.
    You are confusing Republicans and Conseratives, not the same thing.

    Now that there is a Democrat (and a black one at that) in the White House, all of a sudden deficits matter again; preserving personal rights is on their lips as well as liberty.
    I don't know what you are thinking by saying that all of a sudden deficits matter. I don't know any conservatives that were happy with Bush's spending. And you fail to acknowledge that Obama's spending is on an entirely different level, and absolutely mind boggling one.

    And what is the point about him being (half) black? Are you making the absurd suggestion that if Obama was more white, conservatives would support his destructive policies?
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You are confusing Republicans and Conseratives, not the same thing.


    I don't know what you are thinking by saying that all of a sudden deficits matter. I don't know any conservatives that were happy with Bush's spending. And you fail to acknowledge that Obama's spending is on an entirely different level, and absolutely mind boggling one.

    And what is the point about him being (half) black? Are you making the absurd suggestion that if Obama was more white, conservatives would support his destructive policies?
    Really? Is that what you think about Obama's spending? That just means you have no idea. This is Bush's spending:



    This is Obama's spending:

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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Really? Is that what you think about Obama's spending? That just means you have no idea. This is Bush's spending:



    This is Obama's spending:

    Might have more impact if the graphs were the same scale.
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Might have more impact if the graphs were the same scale.
    Regardless of scale, which I don't control, spending increased 70% under Bush and 8-9% under Obama. So much for conservatives screaming about Obama going on a spending spree.
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Regardless of scale, which I don't control, spending increased 70% under Bush and 8-9% under Obama. So much for conservatives screaming about Obama going on a spending spree.
    I wasn't disagreeing with the graphs.
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Really? Is that what you think about Obama's spending? That just means you have no idea. This is Bush's spending:
    Hey, don't just post a couple of graphs, make your point. If you are going to say I have no idea, you better come up with a little more than a couple of misleading graphs. I mean, what are you saying, Bush spent more than Obama? How much did Bush add to the deficit?
    And remember, I am no fan of Bush'e spending, I am a conservative.
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Impeachment is a political decision to solve a political problem.
    I do not really think that to be right.

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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Dont you need a case of some sort to impeach him for? What case, with real evidence.. is there, that is impeachable?
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    Re: POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Hey, don't just post a couple of graphs, make your point. If you are going to say I have no idea, you better come up with a little more than a couple of misleading graphs. I mean, what are you saying, Bush spent more than Obama? How much did Bush add to the deficit?
    And remember, I am no fan of Bush'e spending, I am a conservative.
    Well, Bush was the most conservative president in 100 years. It's funny how conservatives now declare that Bush really wasn't a conservative when they were silent at the time.

    My point shown by the graphs should have been obvious, the trajectory of Bush Era spending was a 45 degree line that increased spending by 70%. Obama added about 8.5% in his term.

    Regarding the deficit, as I have said many times, the deficit under Obama is largely due to the Great Recession that dropped revenues by $500 billion a year. There were also additional social spending, but those kick in automatically regardless of who lives in the White House. That's the government we have responding to a terrible economy, as it should. In any case, the deficit is shrinking drastically now.

    More on this, Bush's tax cuts are the reason there was a deficit at all during his term. Had those cuts not occurred, the debt would have been paid off in 2006 and there would have been no reason not to stimulate the economy heavily to rebound from the Great Recession in 2008.
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