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US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’ [W:326]

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So sell me.

Why should I disregard the USIC's NIE in how the Iraq war has affected "terrorism"?

I'm not saying you should disregard it but that perhaps you should have a more critical look at it.
 
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What we see in Iraq right now are the consequences of the USA sticking it's nose into a situation that it had no real business getting involved in.

Yes, I already know that Americans are to blame for the world's problems and that the Islamists are just innocent bystanders to US meddling.
 
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I'm not saying you should disregard it but that perhaps you should have a more critical look at it.
I see.
 
Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

Yes, I already know that Americans are to blame for the world's problems and that the Islamists are just innocent bystanders to US meddling.




The USA didn't create all of the worlds problems, but it has certainly created and exacerbated quite a few of them by things that it has done and left undone.
 
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The USA didn't create all of the worlds problems, but it has certainly created and exacerbated quite a few of them by things that it has done and left undone.

Who else has been at fault apart from Americans?
 
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Who else has been at fault apart from Americans?




Lots of countries, groups and people.

But right now we're talking about the USA, which should have a lot better record.
 
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When the next attack happens here, and Innocent Americans die, that is squarely on Obama....

So, if they grow in Iraq, and we are attacked by Saudis with Pakistan funds again, explain to me the connection.
 
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Obvious except to those who wasted a lot of U.S. lives and money in that Hell-hole for no good result..

True enough.
 
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Lots of countries, groups and people.

But right now we're talking about the USA, which should have a lot better record.

Using "Americans" broadly as he is is a fallacy. Many Americans have been opposed to US interventionist policies for years. Of course those that support it are Americans, but no longer a majority.
 
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Well if this history changed so much then why did it turn out the same way 1994 dick Cheney say it would?

He already spoke to that on page 14, suggesting that pointing it out was being desperate.
 
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Lots of countries, groups and people.

But right now we're talking about the USA, which should have a lot better record.

No, we are talking about Iraq. Do you see anyone else to blame for what's going on in the ME? Or other areas of the world? Or do you feel it's all America's fault and its "Neo-Cons"?
 
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So, if they grow in Iraq, and we are attacked by Saudis with Pakistan funds again, explain to me the connection.

Islam and its Jihadists are the connection. If you only watch MSNBC and the MSN you would never know this, and thus your question is quite understandable.
 
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Who else has been at fault apart from Americans?

The creation of Israel, Russia, Great Britain, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, shall I go on?

Just because people recognize that the U.S. is not perfect, esepcially with meddling, doesn't mean EVERYTHING is the fault of the U.S.

You, however, are acting like the U.S. is perfect. It's not, that doesn't mean it isn't great it just means it isn't perfect.
 
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Well if this history changed so much then why did it turn out the same way 1994 dick Cheney say it would?
The circumstances were not the same in 1994. That you think they are is inexplicable.
 
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The creation of Israel, Russia, Great Britain, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, shall I go on?

Just because people recognize that the U.S. is not perfect, esepcially with meddling, doesn't mean EVERYTHING is the fault of the U.S.

You, however, are acting like the U.S. is perfect. It's not, that doesn't mean it isn't great it just means it isn't perfect.

So somewhere along the line you thought I suggested the US was perfect? As a country is made up of people, and people are never perfect, how can a country be perfect? But I refuse to get on the 'blame America first bandwagon', so that's interpreted by goofy Leftists as though I do.

America was a great country and the world, and all Americans eventually, will miss it. The Democrats are doing to White Americans, and Hispanic Americans, what they did to the Black community with their 'Great Society' con. That isn't clear?
 
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So somewhere along the line you thought I suggested the US was perfect? As a country is made up of people, and people are never perfect, how can a country be perfect? But I refuse to get on the 'blame America first bandwagon', so that's interpreted by goofy Leftists as though I do.

America was a great country and the world, and all Americans eventually, will miss it. The Democrats are doing to White Americans, and Hispanic Americans, what they did to the Black community with their 'Great Society' con. That isn't clear?

Yeah because the GOP didn't go along with ANY of it did they? I see you're not a blame america first kinda guy, you're the blame everything on Dems and give a free pass to GOP kinda guy.
 
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Yeah because the GOP didn't go along with ANY of it did they? I see you're not a blame america first kinda guy, you're the blame everything on Dems and give a free pass to GOP kinda guy.

Democrats are not very bright, I know, but Republicans have been very weak. This combination has led the United States to where it is today.
 
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Democrats are not very bright, I know, but Republicans have been very weak. This combination has led the United States to where it is today.

Yeah the Democrats aren't bright, who holds the White House and Senate again? Oh yeah, they are so dumb, yet they beat out the GOP. I guess that makes the GOP dumb as dirt right?

It's the combination of BOTH the GOP and the Dems that have caused the problems and it's the fault of the people that vote them in. ALL of them.
 
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Yeah the Democrats aren't bright, who holds the White House and Senate again? Oh yeah, they are so dumb, yet they beat out the GOP. I guess that makes the GOP dumb as dirt right?

It's the combination of BOTH the GOP and the Dems that have caused the problems and it's the fault of the people that vote them in. ALL of them.

As i said, the Democrats are not very bright otherwise we would not see Biden and Obama in office. Not very bright people will elect poor leaders. That should be evident in what we see today.

No it's not the fault of all the people. Certainly we can expect the not too brights to vote for Obama/Biden but I fault those who stayed home and didn't vote at all, while knowing better, for contributing to this mess.
 
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As i said, the Democrats are not very bright otherwise we would not see Biden and Obama in office. Not very bright people will elect poor leaders. That should be evident in what we see today.

No it's not the fault of all the people. Certainly we can expect the not too brights to vote for Obama/Biden but I fault those who stayed home and didn't vote at all, while knowing better, for contributing to this mess.

Ah so left dumb right smart huh?
 
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Yes, I already know that Americans are to blame for the world's problems and that the Islamists are just innocent bystanders to US meddling.

No one said that except you.
 
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The circumstances were not the same in 1994. That you think they are is inexplicable.

by your logic then your sentence is wrong and doesn't matter at all because you said it before now and circumstances have changed since you wrote it.

btw... circumstances have absolutely no bearing in a discussion about someone making an accurate prediction of the future. 1994 Cheney WAS right. Later Cheney and you ARE wrong. done.. and ... done.
 
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