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US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’ [W:326]

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Iraq was stable.
Obama said so.

And you always accept what Obama says. Anyway, when you break a country, you own that country, someone famously told Bush who didn't listen, he broke it and then decreed all troops to leave by the end of 2011. I think Obama fulfilled that. Apparently some others think we should do a Germany or South Korea with Iraq. Of course not breaking it was the preferred.
 
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When the next attack happens here, and Innocent Americans die, that is squarely on Obama....

we can apply your statement to anything that is happening in ME right now..but it is not only Obama's fault..
 
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Oh.
The current situation?
We lost everything we accomplished with blood & money.
Your turn.
When & why?




The only thing that the USA accomplished in Iraq was to give Iran a friendly neighbor.

How did that help the USA?

Fill us in. :roll:
 
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NOTHING was accomplished.

Hardly.

Those Haliburton stock dividends weren't exactly nothing.
 
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I can't think of anything useful we have done with our military action since the Korean war. I was involved in one of those wars. If the world has to get along without a global police force then so be it. I'm very much against the Obama agenda except in this one area. I approve of our getting out of the war mongering business.
Let's defend our homeland instead of defending everyone else's homeland.




I'm totally down with that idea.

After we bring all of our infrastructure up to world-class standards and everyone in the USA has the same standard of living that the people in Denmark have-then we can start thinking about helping other countries.

HOT TIP: That won't be happening anytime soon, unless my guess (Based on current reality.) is wrong
 
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None. They all say this quagmire is due to Obama and that whatever Bush had done was perfect and warranted.




G. W. Bush is relaxing on a big lounge chair right now with a big smile on his face.

The man doesn't have a worry in the world.

God bless him, I hope that he lives long and gets what he deserves.




"What goes around, comes around."
 
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Hardly.

Those Haliburton stock dividends weren't exactly nothing.

True enough, Dave Fagan already pointed that out.
 
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And you always accept what Obama says. Anyway, when you break a country, you own that country, someone famously told Bush who didn't listen, he broke it and then decreed all troops to leave by the end of 2011.
I think Obama fulfilled that.
Apparently some others think we should do a Germany or South Korea with Iraq. Of course not breaking it was the preferred.

You're forgetting the part about Obama not leaving a Status of Forces agreement in place.
 
Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

Oh.
The current situation?
We lost everything we accomplished with blood & money.
Your turn.
When & why?

The only thing that the USA accomplished in Iraq was to give Iran a friendly neighbor.

How did that help the USA?

Fill us in. :roll:


You first.
 
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I've already said plenty on this sad topic, if you have anything to say, get after it. :lamo

You'll never drag G.W. Bush out of the hole that he's dug himself into with his stupid attack on Iraq (Which was no threat to the USA.).








100 years from now we'll look back on this and laugh, but I doubt that many people in Iraq will be laughing much in the near future. Except, maybe at the USA.




You can cure ignorance with education, but there's no cure for stupidity.
 
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I've already said plenty on this sad topic, if you have anything to say, get after it. :lamo
Whatever the gain was after the blood & money was spent, when was it lost, why was it lost, and while we're on the subject, who lost it?
 
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You're forgetting the part about Obama not leaving a Status of Forces agreement in place.

Didn't forget the couch at all. Iraq rejected all forces when it came time to negotiate the number. And likely knew he would when he signed originally during the Bush administration. Got to get what you need incrementally. But then AGAIN, all this is moot had Bush not taken the so called "war on terror" to a country uninvolved in 9/11.
 
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Whatever the gain was after the blood & money was spent, when was it lost, why was it lost, and while we're on the subject, who lost it?




If you don't already know, you'll never know.

I don't have time to waste on you, educate yourself.
 
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Didn't forget the couch at all. Iraq rejected all forces when it came time to negotiate the number. And likely knew he would when he signed originally during the Bush administration. Got to get what you need incrementally. But then AGAIN, all this is moot had Bush not taken the so called "war on terror" to a country uninvolved in 9/11.
Nope. Not true. After flip-flopping all over the place over his time in office regarding a SOF deal Obama bailed on negotiations.
And it's not moot had Iraq remained stable ... asshole like Maliki notwithstanding.
 
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If you don't already know, you'll never know.

I don't have time to waste on you, educate yourself.
I was asking if you knew ... or would at least acknowledge it.
Apparently not, which I have to say I'm surprised.
I thought you were one of the more reasonable folks here.
 
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Nope. Not true. After flip-flopping all over the place over his time in office regarding a SOF deal Obama bailed on negotiations.
And it's not moot had Iraq remained stable ... asshole like Maliki notwithstanding.

There are so many legitimate criticisms of Obama that its remarkable you would blame a Bush COLOSSAL failure on him and lather your face in egg so.

Barack Obama announced at a White House press conference that all American troops will leave Iraq by the end of December, a decision forced by the final collapse of lengthy talks between the US and the Iraqi government on the issue.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-rejects-us-plea-bases
 
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I was asking if you knew ... or would at least acknowledge it.
Apparently not, which I have to say I'm surprised.
I thought you were one of the more reasonable folks here.




I'm reasonable enough to know that anyone who's trying to re-write history isn't worth wasting time on.
 
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I'm reasonable enough to know that anyone who's trying to re-write history isn't worth wasting time on.

Ignoring history out of blind Obama loyalty works that way too.
 
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But ending the U.S. troop presence in Iraq was an overwhelmingly popular demand among Iraqis, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki appears to have been unwilling to take the political risk of extending it. While he was inclined to see a small number of American soldiers stay behind to continue mentoring Iraqi forces, the likes of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, on whose support Maliki’s ruling coalition depends, were having none of it. Even the Obama Administration’s plan to keep some 3,000 trainers behind failed because the Iraqis were unwilling to grant them the legal immunity from local prosecution that is common to SOF agreements in most countries where U.S. forces are based.

http://world.time.com/2011/10/21/iraq-not-obama-called-time-on-the-u-s-troop-presence/
 
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There are so many legitimate criticisms of Obama that its remarkable you would blame a Bush COLOSSAL failure on him and lather your face in egg so.

H Barack Obama announced at a White House press conference that all American troops will leave Iraq by the end of December, a decision forced by the final collapse of lengthy talks between the US and the Iraqi government on the issue.

Iraq rejects US request to maintain bases after troop withdrawal | World news | theguardian.com

Nope ... Obama said not leaving 10K troops there would be an enormous mistake. Then in the blink of an eye he swore they'd all be gone. Not because he couldn't get an agreement but because it was politically pleasing to his base. I guess he wasn't serious about that enormous mistake comment. Circumstances hadn't changed that much to remove that enormity.

I think now would be a good time to remind anyone reading these things that Obama is a world class liar.
The most clever type of liar who is always aware of the audience and will say what they want to hear ... but ... will always include some language ... a word ... a phrase ... a reference that will provide him an out in front of a different audience.

So ... for a POTUS debate crowd he pulls out the 10K troops line to sound Presidential and contemplative.
In front of his media he reverses himself without dropping a stitch.
 
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Ignoring history out of blind Obama loyalty works that way too.




For some people it does.

I find that reality works best for me.

I recommend that everyone give it a try once in a while.
 
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Nope ... Obama said not leaving 10K troops there would be an enormous mistake. Then in the blink of an eye he swore they'd all be gone. Not because he couldn't get an agreement but because it was politically pleasing to his base. I guess he wasn't serious about that enormous mistake comment. Circumstances hadn't changed that much to remove that enormity.

I think now would be a good time to remind anyone reading these things that Obama is a world class liar.
The most clever type of liar who is always aware of the audience and will say what they want to hear ... but ... will always include some language ... a word ... a phrase ... a reference that will provide him an out in front of a different audience.

So ... for a POTUS debate crowd he pulls out the 10K troops line to sound Presidential and contemplative.
In front of his media he reverses himself without dropping a stitch.

Lol, you do realize that any and every presidents name could be injected where you've placed Obama's name. Any way, it remains remarkable, your desperation that is, to deflect from Bush's HUGE failure in taking his phony "war on terror" to Iraq, a country that may take generations to recover, if it does.
 
Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

Nope ... Obama said not leaving 10K troops there would be an enormous mistake. Then in the blink of an eye he swore they'd all be gone. Not because he couldn't get an agreement but because it was politically pleasing to his base. I guess he wasn't serious about that enormous mistake comment. Circumstances hadn't changed that much to remove that enormity.

I think now would be a good time to remind anyone reading these things that Obama is a world class liar.
The most clever type of liar who is always aware of the audience and will say what they want to hear ... but ... will always include some language ... a word ... a phrase ... a reference that will provide him an out in front of a different audience.

So ... for a POTUS debate crowd he pulls out the 10K troops line to sound Presidential and contemplative.
In front of his media he reverses himself without dropping a stitch.


U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There!
President Obama's speech formally declaring that the last 43,000 U.S. troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year was designed to mask an unpleasant truth: The troops aren't being withdrawn because the U.S. wants them out. They're leaving because the Iraqi government refused to let them stay.

U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There - Yochi J. Dreazen - The Atlantic
 
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I was only replying with facts, and now you stoop to partisanship with no evidence?

Ignored it?

Do you have proof?

No, you don't. Only what the media pundits say.

That's a topic for another thread anyway.

Your whine here is pure projection. Your proof is punditry. Facts illude youand all you are doing is proving my point... The buck stops anywhere but with a republican.

Clark isn't a pundit

CNN.com - Former antiterror adviser says Bush ignored 9/11 warnings - Mar 23, 2004
 
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Lol,
you do realize that any and every presidents name could be injected where you've placed Obama's name.
Any way, it remains remarkable, your desperation that is, to deflect from Bush's HUGE failure in taking his phony "war on terror" to Iraq, a country that may take generations to recover, if it does.
HA! I knew you'd do the "they all do it" bit.
No, this guy is far and away the worst.
And the thing is, being the absolute balls-out ideologue that he is, he believes it's just a necessary tool in his arsenal.
You might even say he's a soci...opath (fooled ya, you thought I was gonna say socialist ... relax, yeah, he's both)
 
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