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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Only one man was the President of the USA on March 20, 2003 when the USA with its partners attacked Iraq, that man was G.W. Bush.

    Do you deny that fact?
    President does not somehow equal all knowing, all powerful dictator. As I have already pointed out, GW had support by allies and political enemies alike. It's funny how people like to pretend that never happened/.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    President does not somehow equal all knowing, all powerful dictator. As I have already pointed out,
    GW had support by allies and political enemies alike. It's funny how people like to pretend that never happened/
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    G.W. Bush's allies and political enemies didn't take the USA to war in Iraq, Mr. Bush did that all by himself.

    And historians will give him all of the credit that he deserves for that mistake.

    Read some history books 30 years or so from now and see what they say.
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Just like when the 9/11/2001 attack happened during Bush's administration you guys put it squarely on Clinton.
    For a reason. It was Clinton's actions that caused this:

    Bin Laden's Fatwa | PBS NewsHour

    World Islamic Front Statement Urging Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    President does not somehow equal all knowing, all powerful dictator. As I have already pointed out, GW had support by allies and political enemies alike. It's funny how people like to pretend that never happened/.
    The presidents team had so successfully demonized the dissenting voice as UN-American/UN-patriotic it stifled meaningful dissent, politicians thinking of their political careers and all. Tampering with the evidence as was latter pointed out in the leaked Downing Street Memo (fixing the intelligence around the policy) and working the country into a frenzy with the fear mongering of mushroom clouds over a US city!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The USA should never have stuck its nose in Iraq.
    True. And while there may be situations which legitimately call for military intervention, intervening in through this imperial methodology is sure to backfire.
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The presidents team had so successfully demonized the dissenting voice as UN-American/UN-patriotic it stifled meaningful dissent, politicians thinking of their political careers and all. Tampering with the evidence as was latter pointed out in the leaked Downing Street Memo (fixing the intelligence around the policy) and working the country into a frenzy with the fear mongering of mushroom clouds over a US city!!
    Fair enough. But i think all politicians use the media to manipulate public opinion. It is extremely effective because people allow themselves to be so easily controlled.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    Fair enough. But i think all politicians use the media to manipulate public opinion. It is extremely effective because people allow themselves to be so easily controlled.
    I won't disagree with that. But this particular time was hugely effective. I've stated before that it was rampant, reaching the water cooler conversations at the work place, I personally reaped the wrath as an ardent critic of Bush's ambition in Iraq. Earning me the title of Taliban John, anti-American, Muslim lover, UN-patriotic, etc. it was exceedingly difficult in those days to oppose the Bush teams rhetoric. Many people, including politicians have expressed similar sentiments subsequently.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I won't disagree with that. But this particular time was hugely effective. I've stated before that it was rampant, reaching the water cooler conversations at the work place, I personally reaped the wrath as an ardent critic of Bush's ambition in Iraq. Earning me the title of Taliban John, anti-American, Muslim lover, UN-patriotic, etc. it was exceedingly difficult in those days to oppose the Bush teams rhetoric. Many people, including politicians have expressed similar sentiments subsequently.
    It isn't uncommon to be ridiculed for having a minority opinion. Good for you that you stood for your beliefs rather than bending to pressure. I am aware that US activities in the ME have little to do with spreading democracy and ending terrorism. That opinion hasn't exactly earned me a flag waving welcome from my fellow compatriots. My point in this thread is that more politicians are involved in these actions than only GW. Many of those who now speak against the war were some of its biggest supporters. Funny how that works. I am looking to find a politician who cares about this country more than his or her own personal interests, and I have yet to find a single one.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    For a reason. It was Clinton's actions that caused this:

    Bin Laden's Fatwa | PBS NewsHour
    It was Clinton who caused this oft mentined "Zionist-Crusader alliance?"!! Who woulda thunk!'

    and to think he wasn't even quite two years old at the time.
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    It isn't uncommon to be ridiculed for having a minority opinion. Good for you that you stood for your beliefs rather than bending to pressure. I am aware that US activities in the ME have little to do with spreading democracy and ending terrorism. That opinion hasn't exactly earned me a flag waving welcome from my fellow compatriots. My point in this thread is that more politicians are involved in these actions than only GW. Many of those who now speak against the war were some of its biggest supporters. Funny how that works. I am looking to find a politician who cares about this country more than his or her own personal interests, and I have yet to find a single one.
    I agree again. The support for long term US policy in the ME is on both sides. The decades of support of militant Islamic groups has left the region in flames. A united and cooperative people's in the region would be very good for the citizens of the region and not so good at all for "US Interests". Exploiting tensions, encouraging infighting etc.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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