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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Did I say I "knew"? This guy in post 20 seems to.
    if he does know, then he probably shouldn't be talking about it on a public forum.

    Suffice to say, we are looking at multiple groups with the intent, the capability and - due to intramural competition - the need to launch big, flashy, cool attacks against Western interests. Mind you, for AQSL that's going to probably consist at least of marching successfully back into Afghanistan after the the administration chooses to lose a war engages in a troop realignment next year. MMO and AAZ are going to take a selfie outside of ISAF HQ, and all hell is gonna start to break loose.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who helped the Muslims in Afghanistan kick the Soviet Union out of there?

    Any ideas?
    Ah. It is your belief that all Muslims are the same, and that therefore support to mostly tribal / warlord-esque forces in the 1980's therefore translates into support of two AQ variants in the 2010's?

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I disagreed with Nick that middle eastern militant Islamic groups are on the same chapter or page and told him there's rampant infighting
    Yes. What you are missing is that the second does not change the former.

    and you chose to side with him. I've linked to a quite non-exhaustive list documenting the level of infighting between these groups that the US has provided support and aid for in various forms for decades. They are not united in a fight against the US, although any one of them likely has and would in the future conduct attacks on the US. They are fighting for control over the region that the US has worked tirelessly to destabilize, which means much infighting as well. Only the blind deny that widespread sectarian violence is US policy.
    Given how much blood and treasure we spent avoiding it, I would suggest that only the most conspiratorially minded would suggest that it is.

    The group, (ISIS/ISIL, IS) in its original form, was composed of and supported by a variety of Sunni insurgent groups, including its predecessor organizations, the Mujahideen Shura Council, the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) and Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the insurgent groups Jaysh al-Fatiheen, Jund al-Sahaba, Katbiyan Ansar Al-Tawhid wal Sunnah and Jeish al-Taiifa al-Mansoura, and a number of Iraqi tribes that profess Sunni Islam.
    Good on you for finally bothering to look up the groups you have decided to talk about on Wikipedia. The next time you decide to do some reading, I'd recommend clearing up the "ISIL/ISI/AQI" past a bit - go back and take a look at them under a man named "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi", with regards to "widespread sectarian violence", and find out which side of that conflict we were on.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    Such as?..

    Your arguments thus far have been bipartisan.
    Placing the blame of a multidimensional issue on one individual is the paragon of simplicity.
    It completely ignores every other variable. I have not made absolutist claims.



    Only one man was the President of the USA on March 20, 2003 when the USA with its partners attacked Iraq, that man was G.W. Bush.

    Do you deny that fact?

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Rhiannon just said, "almost always". This is NOT an absolute statement.



    You almost always stick your nose in where it's not needed or wanted.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You almost always stick your nose in where it's not needed or wanted.
    What does that opinion have to do with me being correct?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah.
    It is your belief that all Muslims are the same,
    and that therefore support to mostly tribal / warlord-esque forces in the 1980's therefore translates into support of two AQ variants in the 2010's?



    All Muslims are Muslims, Just like all Christians are Christians.

    A Muslim in Iraq worships the same Allah that a Muslim in Dearborn, Michigan worships.

    Each Muslim is a separate human being, just like each Christian is a separate human being.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What does that opinion have to do with me being correct?



    Who ever said that you were correct about anything?

    Where did you get that idea?

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Who ever said that you were correct about anything?

    Where did you get that idea?
    Where does it say that anybody needs to agree with me for me to be correct. I was correct. He did not make an absolute statement. Fact.

    I got that idea when I saw that he did not make an absolute statement. When I pointed it out to you I was hoping that you would also see that his statement was absolutely not an absolute statement but apparently you absolutely did not see that he did not make an absolute statement.

    All good...
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When the next attack happens here, and Innocent Americans die, that is squarely on Obama....
    Just like when the 9/11/2001 attack happened during Bush's administration you guys put it squarely on Clinton.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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