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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Because if we don't they will unify - get a nuke and will melt your skin off...

    Terrorism appears to be working just fine based on this comment.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would say that he means precisely that - everyone in the ANF/ISIL/AQSL conflict is pretty much in agreement about everything except a few tactical considerations and who is in charge.

    When it comes to things like "should we launch attacks against the West", the answer is "yes." Unequivocally.

    If anything, the ongoing infighting makes life more dangerous in the short term, as flashy attacks will allow one side a leg up in relation to the other as far as donations and recruits are concerned.
    "Should we launch attacks against the West" is pretty much where any similarities would end. I'm somewhat baffled by your lack of knowledge of militant Islamic groups.

    BEIRUT (Reuters) - An al Qaeda splinter group has wrested control of key parts of the eastern Syrian province of Deir al-Zor from other rebel groups, activists said on Sunday, worsening infighting that has handicapped the insurgency against President Bashar al-Assad.

    I think "infighting" was the word I chose as well.

    (CNN) -- The leader of an al Qaeda affiliate in Syria is calling for an end to days of bloody infighting between opposition factions, according to an online message.

    Al-Qaeda group known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) on Tuesday urged its fighters to “crush” other rebel groups in Syria, in an audio message from the group’s spokesman.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...-in-Syria.html

    The others were incredulous, recalled one, who supports the Nusra Front, a rival group that has Al Qaeda’s official stamp of approval as its representative in the fight against President Bashar al-Assad. But the man on the truck replied, “We are here to establish the Islamic state, not to fight Assad.”

    Clashes Between Militants and Army Spread in IraqJAN. 12, 2014
    Such disputes helped set off the infighting that has swept insurgent-held northern Syria for the past week, leaving more than 500 dead, as a broad array of factions have turned against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, known as ISIS, in a showdown over tactics, power and ideology within a Sunni jihadist movement that has drawn fighters from across the world.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/13/wo...-al-qaeda.html

    Syrian rebels also fighting al Qaeda, other hard-liners for villagers’ hearts and minds

    http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/20...d-li/?page=all

    Syrian Rebel Groups Fight Each Other As Ghurabaa Al-Sham And Judicial Council Engage In Mutual Kidnappings.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3298546.html
    Last edited by Montecresto; 07-27-14 at 10:53 AM.
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Intent does not equal ability.
    Oh. Okay. So it is your argument that Al Qaeda does not have the ability to launch attacks against the West. Okedoke.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    "Should we launch attacks against the West" is pretty much where any similarities would end.
    That is incorrect. Take a look, for example, at Maqdisi's critique of the declaration of the Caliphate. What is under debate here is not any of the strategic goals, but rather tactical considerations (whether it is time to begin targeting fellow apostate "Muslims" such as the Shia), who is the actual Emir al Mu'minin, and where in the process the movement is.

    I'm somewhat baffled by your lack of knowledge of militant Islamic groups.
    says the guy who thought that the FSA was ISIL.

    BEIRUT (Reuters) - An al Qaeda splinter group has wrested control of key parts of the eastern Syrian province of Deir al-Zor from other rebel groups, activists said on Sunday, worsening infighting that has handicapped the insurgency against President Bashar al-Assad.

    I think "infighting" was the word I chose as well.

    (CNN) -- The leader of an al Qaeda affiliate in Syria is calling for an end to days of bloody infighting between opposition factions, according to an online message.

    Al-Qaeda group known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) on Tuesday urged its fighters to “crush” other rebel groups in Syria, in an audio message from the group’s spokesman.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...-in-Syria.html

    The others were incredulous, recalled one, who supports the Nusra Front, a rival group that has Al Qaeda’s official stamp of approval as its representative in the fight against President Bashar al-Assad. But the man on the truck replied, “We are here to establish the Islamic state, not to fight Assad.”

    Clashes Between Militants and Army Spread in IraqJAN. 12, 2014
    Such disputes helped set off the infighting that has swept insurgent-held northern Syria for the past week, leaving more than 500 dead, as a broad array of factions have turned against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, known as ISIS, in a showdown over tactics, power and ideology within a Sunni jihadist movement that has drawn fighters from across the world.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/13/wo...-al-qaeda.html

    Syrian rebels also fighting al Qaeda, other hard-liners for villagers’ hearts and minds

    Syrian rebels also fighting al Qaeda, other hard-liners for villagers' hearts and minds - Washington Times

    Syrian Rebel Groups Fight Each Other As Ghurabaa Al-Sham And Judicial Council Engage In Mutual Kidnappings.

    Syrian Rebel Groups Fight Each Other As Ghurabaa Al-Sham And Judicial Council Engage In Mutual Kidnappings
    I find it interesting that you continue to post sources that actually manage to discredit your arguments.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is incorrect. Take a look, for example, at Maqdisi's critique of the declaration of the Caliphate. What is under debate here is not any of the strategic goals, but rather tactical considerations (whether it is time to begin targeting fellow apostate "Muslims" such as the Shia), who is the actual Emir al Mu'minin, and where in the process the movement is.



    says the guy who thought that the FSA was ISIL.



    I find it interesting that you continue to post sources that actually manage to discredit your arguments.
    I disagreed with Nick that middle eastern militant Islamic groups are on the same chapter or page and told him there's rampant infighting, and you chose to side with him. I've linked to a quite non-exhaustive list documenting the level of infighting between these groups that the US has provided support and aid for in various forms for decades. They are not united in a fight against the US, although any one of them likely has and would in the future conduct attacks on the US. They are fighting for control over the region that the US has worked tirelessly to destabilize, which means much infighting as well. Only the blind deny that widespread sectarian violence is US policy.

    The group, (ISIS/ISIL, IS) in its original form, was composed of and supported by a variety of Sunni insurgent groups, including its predecessor organizations, the Mujahideen Shura Council, the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) and Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the insurgent groups Jaysh al-Fatiheen, Jund al-Sahaba, Katbiyan Ansar Al-Tawhid wal Sunnah and Jeish al-Taiifa al-Mansoura, and a number of Iraqi tribes that profess Sunni Islam.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam...and_the_Levant
    Last edited by Montecresto; 07-27-14 at 11:54 AM.
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    if we had just taken care of this problem when we had the chance while we had forces in Iraq.
    How do we take care of a problem when the problem is so much intertwined with Arab culture, itself? The hubris of the neocons was such that they thought they could somehow turn Arabs into westerners. They couldn't, and so the results we are seeing today have more to do with the removal of the strong-armed leader than it does the subsequent failure at nation building.
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
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    That's your incorrect opinion, which you are entitled to and won't change anything in today's real world.






    Myself, I place the blame directly where it belongs on Mr. G. W. Bush whose stupid action in Iraq set this whole chain of events in motion.
    The odds of an incredibly complex issue being one person's fault is inimitably insignificant.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    The odds of an incredibly complex issue being one person's fault is inimitably insignificant.



    G.W. Bush was the guy who kicked off the un-necessary Iraq war which the USA will be paying for a long time from now, with nothing to show for the lives lost and money thrown away.




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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    G.W. Bush was the guy who kicked off the un-necessary Iraq war which the USA will be paying for a long time from now, with nothing to show for the lives lost and money thrown away.




    "The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
    GW wasn't the only one who supported this war. Besides, US military presence through out the ME and many other parts of the world could be one of the few variables controlling and reducing inflation. With the billions ... even trillions of dollars being spent, that is less money in direct circulation.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    G.W. Bush was the guy who kicked off the un-necessary Iraq war which the USA will be paying for a long time from now, with nothing to show for the lives lost and money thrown away.




    "The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
    Which is so much more than obvious its quite remarkable that that failure STILL finds support on this board!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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