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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Was not Afghanistan given the opportunity to hand OBL over to the US following 9/11?

    Was not Saddam Hussein given the opportunity to come clean with his programs on multiple occasion, as well as the chance to step down and go onto exile?

    You're kind always looks to blame your own first without any objectivity.

    I bet you blame Israel for the current conflict too don't you?

    Pathetic.
    Israel has been to blame since 1948!
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

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    Israel has been to blame since 1948!
    How so?
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

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    How so?
    It's been documented all over the ME forum.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's been documented all over the ME forum.
    I have limited time to be on here these days, so I don't tend to float all over the boards looking for the meaning of some vague statement of another poster....Humor me....What do you mean?
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have limited time to be on here these days, so I don't tend to float all over the boards looking for the meaning of some vague statement of another poster....Humor me....What do you mean?
    In a nut shell, Israel's presence and oppression of the Palestinian people is the problem. But then you know this.
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Israel has been to blame since 1948!
    Here's the deal that Palestinians and the rest of the ME needs to know. Israel is not going to go anywhere. There are currently approx. 7.7 MILLION people living there. 7.7 Million people are not just going to walk up, uproot everything and leave.

    I am a big critic on the creation of Israel, however, it was done and there are millions of people living there right now. Time to get over that fact and ACCEPT Israel's right to exist. That is the BASIS of the problems with Israel and Palestine is that the people in charge in Palestine don't accept the the right for Israel to exist.

    Now the second issue is that the ME countries got a little squirrely and decided to test Israel and lost. Those lands were taken by the victor Israel. They aren't going back, deal with it and move on. That is the price for waging war with Israel.

    Those two factors have been the source of the ongoing conflict in Israel.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

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    Here's the deal that Palestinians and the rest of the ME needs to know. Israel is not going to go anywhere. There are currently approx. 7.7 MILLION people living there. 7.7 Million people are not just going to walk up, uproot everything and leave.

    I am a big critic on the creation of Israel, however, it was done and there are millions of people living there right now. Time to get over that fact and ACCEPT Israel's right to exist. That is the BASIS of the problems with Israel and Palestine is that the people in charge in Palestine don't accept the the right for Israel to exist.

    Now the second issue is that the ME countries got a little squirrely and decided to test Israel and lost. Those lands were taken by the victor Israel. They aren't going back, deal with it and move on. That is the price for waging war with Israel.

    Those two factors have been the source of the ongoing conflict in Israel.
    I won't disagree with you on that. Nor does it dismiss the fact that for the Palestinians, the creation of Israel IS the problem, that always has been and always will be their position and therefore, there cannot be peace there.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I won't disagree with you on that. Nor does it dismiss the fact that for the Palestinians, the creation of Israel IS the problem, that always has been and always will be their position and therefore, there cannot be peace there.
    Well like I said the reality is Israel is going to remain there. If Palestinians are not going to recognize the right for Israel to exist, it is only inevitable that they will not get their statehood and they will most likely get wiped out. That's ALL on the Palestinians at this point.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

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    Well like I said the reality is Israel is going to remain there. If Palestinians are not going to recognize the right for Israel to exist, it is only inevitable that they will not get their statehood and they will most likely get wiped out. That's ALL on the Palestinians at this point.
    Who's to say who will be wiped out. But a wrong, as you conceded the creation of Israel to be, doesn't cease to be a wrong because the perpetrator manages to press the wrong for decades. I will agree that Israel moved in there to stay, and that they would fight any fight to the end. The other Arab states, usually supportive of Palestinians are quiet this time, save Qatar. That's not because they sympathize with Israel. It's because while they support authoritarian regimes, they don't like them coming to power in a democratic fashion. That is threatening to them. And they aren't fond of the MB. So the Palestinians get thrown under the bus this time. It's funny though that the pro-Israel crowd is using a few Arab states reluctance to openly support the Palestinians as proof that they support Israel, lol.
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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Who's to say who will be wiped out. But a wrong, as you conceded the creation of Israel to be, doesn't cease to be a wrong because the perpetrator manages to press the wrong for decades. I will agree that Israel moved in there to stay, and that they would fight any fight to the end. The other Arab states, usually supportive of Palestinians are quiet this time, save Qatar. That's not because they sympathize with Israel. It's because while they support authoritarian regimes, they don't like them coming to power in a democratic fashion. That is threatening to them. And they aren't fond of the MB. So the Palestinians get thrown under the bus this time. It's funny though that the pro-Israel crowd is using a few Arab states reluctance to openly support the Palestinians as proof that they support Israel, lol.
    The U.S. wronged the American Indian population in the U.S. during its time of creation. We are not going to undue that harm. That is reality.

    Yes, the wrong doesn't go away, but the reality is that Israel is not going away either. If the Palestinians cannot accept that, they will be wiped out eventually because Israel is going to have to in its defense.

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