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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    http://fas.org/irp/agency/dod/dsb/commun.pdf

    Report of the Defense Science Board Task Force on Strategic Communication
    September 2004
    Office of the Under Secretary of Defense For Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics

    "The information campaign — or as some still would have it, “the war of ideas,” or the struggle for “hearts and minds” — is important to every war effort. In this war it is an essential objective ... But American efforts have not only failed in this respect: they may also have achieved the opposite of what they intended.
    American direct intervention in the Muslim World has paradoxically elevated the stature of and support for radical Islamists ...

    • Therefore, the dramatic narrative since 9/11 has essentially borne out the entire radical Islamist bill of particulars. American actions and the flow of events have elevated the authority of the Jihadi insurgents and tended to ratify their legitimacy among Muslims. Fighting groups portray themselves as the true defenders of an Ummah ... to broad public support.

    • What was a marginal network is now an Ummah-wide movement of fighting groups. Not only has there been a proliferation of “terrorist” groups: the unifying context of a shared cause creates a sense of affiliation across the many cultural and sectarian boundaries that divide Islam.
    The neo-con warmongers don't give a damn about that. I've been pointing out forever that decades of US support for militant Islamic groups have given them the strength they need to drown the ME in sectarian violence. But those morons don't seem to care. Good find Simon!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This should demonstrate how foolish some of these bureaucrats can be. Did they not see what would happen when the Coalition left Iraq? The military adage of "Grab them by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow" was far more appropriate here.
    w/e you have to tell yourself...
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And have proven to be wrong also.
    So sell me.

    Why should I disregard the USIC's NIE in how the Iraq war has affected "terrorism"?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Good find Simon!
    Just digging up old posts.

    This topic has been done to death on this very forum.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Once the decision was made to remove Saddam Hussein and change the political landscape of Iraq that decision should have been US policy, just as the anti Communist or anti Fascism was US policy through successive Administrations. By retreating all was lost and we see the resulting situation now.

    America is weak and leaderless and the Islamists know it, along with everyone else. If you believe weakness will keep you safe then you have little knowledge of the outside world.
    Funny but America seemed much weaker during the Iraq quagmire when a ragtag "army" was maiming and killing our boys daily with no end in sight. It made us look like fools too. I guess you don't feel safe unless some poor American kid is getting his legs blown of in some god-forsaken country half way around the world. Send your kid then.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Just digging up old posts.

    This topic has been done to death on this very forum.
    Well it is slightly more important then some of the other topics going on.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Funny but America seemed much weaker during the Iraq quagmire when a ragtag "army" was maiming and killing our boys daily with no end in sight. I made us look like fools too. I guess you don't feel safe unless some poor American kid is getting his legs blown of in some god-forsaken country half way around the world.
    The thing is that we are safe. The "war on terror" is a joke that only increases our risks, particularly in the countries that we are waging it in.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 07-30-14 at 02:41 PM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Obama/Biden should have followed the General's advice and left 24,000 troops there, just as they suggested. Of course Barrack Obama was seriously out of his depth and
    we now see the consequences of his inexperience and naive ideological policies.


    He told Putin he could be 'more flexible' after the election and we are now seeing the consequences of that also.



    What we see in Iraq right now are the consequences of the USA sticking it's nose into a situation that it had no real business getting involved in.

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What we see in Iraq right now are the consequences of the USA sticking it's nose into a situation that it had no real business getting involved in.
    Stating the obvious again eh shrubnose?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Stating the obvious again eh shrubnose?



    Obvious except to those who wasted a lot of U.S. lives and money in that Hell-hole for no good result..

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