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Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

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The level of excuse making is what is astonishing. In the spirit of one of yours, why do the countries keep allowing others to kick their legs out from under them?

What the ****?

Tell me what an unarmed 100 pounder is going to do to a 220 pound 7.5 foot tall giant with a belt-fed machine gun...

And so, you become ignored for the rest of this thread until you can post something even slightly intelligent.
 
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Gee, I don't know. Why do rabbits keep allowing wolves to kill and eat them.

Just let it go, this thread may have to die at this point to save our brain cells...
 
Africa wasn't given the information Europe and the US was given? Who kept it from them? Who kept information from Latin America?

I don't think talking points and excuses addresses the issue.

Information? :screwy

Are you seeing things that aren't there?
 
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Since those children are going to be deported, I don't see how that encourages anyone to come here illegally

Can you explain how?
Read what I wrote again.
 
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No, you said that. What I said was that Mexican and Central American leaders have accurately pointed out Americans demand for drugs that fuels the problem. Though what you said is true too.

What fuels the problem is that drugs are addictive. That's one reason they are illegal; that and they are dangerous. Even pot can be psychologically addictive.

Illegal drug dealers push their product to those who can afford it. Hence, the large American clientele for South and Central American Drug dealers.

Others like marijuana are psychologically addictive, and the withdrawal includes psychological symptoms like anxiety, mood swings and depression. These are harder to identify, leading to the question of whether they are really related to withdrawal versus a “I miss my pot” phenomenon.

Is Marijuana Addictive? | Psychology Today
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063572641 said:
What fuels the problem is that drugs are addictive. That's one reason they are illegal; that and they are dangerous. Even pot can be psychologically addictive.

Illegal drug dealers push their product to those who can afford it. Hence, the large American clientele for South and Central American Drug dealers.



Is Marijuana Addictive? | Psychology Today

I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just commenting in addition to it.


In 1989, the United States invaded Panama as part of Operation Just Cause, which involved 25,000 American troops. Gen. Manuel Noriega, head of government of Panama, had been giving military assistance to Contra groups in Nicaragua at the request of the U.S.—which, in exchange, allowed him to continue his drug-trafficking activities—which they had known about since the 1960s.[27][28] When the DEA tried to indict Noriega in 1971, the CIA prevented them from doing so.[27] The CIA, which was then directed by future president George H. W. Bush, provided Noriega with hundreds of thousands of dollars per year as payment for his work in Latin America.[27] However, when CIA pilot Eugene Hasenfus was shot down over Nicaragua by the Sandinistas, documents aboard the plane revealed many of the CIA's activities in Latin America, and the CIA's connections with Noriega became a public relations "liability" for the U.S. government, which finally allowed the DEA to indict him for drug trafficking, after decades of allowing his drug operations to proceed unchecked.[27] Operation Just Cause, whose ostensible purpose was to capture Noriega, pushed the former Panamanian leader into the Papal Nuncio where he surrendered to U.S. authorities. His trial took place in Miami, where he was sentenced to 45 years in prison.[27]

Allegations of CIA drug trafficking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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I knew that. The point of this?

EDIT

Everyone knows that... My mom and I talk about it all the time.

The point? The below non-specific statement you made, along with another comment you made about slavery in a related post. Since you bashed, and I can only presume again due to lack of clarity, the USA for African woes, slavery would be your reference.

Had you been specific I may not have felt the need to comment.

And no, not everyone knows Africans sold each other into slavery, even though you and your mom talk about it all the time.

And, BTW, why would you and your mom talk about that particular subject all the time?

Also, for Europe's recovery post WWII the U.S. held Europe's hand like a mother would a toddler.

We never did that for Africa and we sure as **** never did that for South America, both countries which WE PURPOSELY ****ed up big time.
 
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I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just commenting in addition to it.


In 1989, the United States invaded Panama as part of Operation Just Cause, which involved 25,000 American troops. Gen. Manuel Noriega, head of government of Panama, had been giving military assistance to Contra groups in Nicaragua at the request of the U.S.—which, in exchange, allowed him to continue his drug-trafficking activities—which they had known about since the 1960s.[27][28] When the DEA tried to indict Noriega in 1971, the CIA prevented them from doing so.[27] The CIA, which was then directed by future president George H. W. Bush, provided Noriega with hundreds of thousands of dollars per year as payment for his work in Latin America.[27] However, when CIA pilot Eugene Hasenfus was shot down over Nicaragua by the Sandinistas, documents aboard the plane revealed many of the CIA's activities in Latin America, and the CIA's connections with Noriega became a public relations "liability" for the U.S. government, which finally allowed the DEA to indict him for drug trafficking, after decades of allowing his drug operations to proceed unchecked.[27] Operation Just Cause, whose ostensible purpose was to capture Noriega, pushed the former Panamanian leader into the Papal Nuncio where he surrendered to U.S. authorities. His trial took place in Miami, where he was sentenced to 45 years in prison.[27]

Allegations of CIA drug trafficking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was imprisoned in southwest (at that time) Dade County near the Zoo if i recall correctly.

That just goes to show illegal activities are not illegal if the government takes part in it. (Our protectors and keepers)
 
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What the ****?

Tell me what an unarmed 100 pounder is going to do to a 220 pound 7.5 foot tall giant with a belt-fed machine gun...

And so, you become ignored for the rest of this thread until you can post something even slightly intelligent.

Ask the little fellows who wore the black pajamas (the Viet Cong). They seemed to manage well enough against every comer, including both the French and the Americans.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063572713 said:
The point? The below non-specific statement you made, along with another comment you made about slavery in a related post. Since you bashed, and I can only presume again due to lack of clarity, the USA for African woes, slavery would be your reference.

Had you been specific I may not have felt the need to comment.

And no, not everyone knows Africans sold each other into slavery, even though you and your mom talk about it all the time.

And, BTW, why would you and your mom talk about that particular subject all the time?

Exactly, we still have responsibility for the slave trade, them selling themselves doesn't justify ****.

If it weren't for us there would be no slave trade because there would be no customers.

So yes, we need to take some responsibility for their woes.
 
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Ask the little fellows who wore the black pajamas (the Viet Cong). They seemed to manage well enough against every comer, including both the French and the Americans.

Ohh boy it's clownboy!

How I love your logic.
 
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Ohh boy it's clownboy!

How I love your logic.

Viet Nam is one of the poorest nation and their children are still being born with defects thanks to the chems we spread there (and others are having their limbs blown off by unexploded ordinance) and he thinks we didn't screw them over.
 
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Exactly, we still have responsibility for the slave trade, them selling themselves doesn't justify ****.

If it weren't for us there would be no slave trade because there would be no customers.

So yes, we need to take some responsibility for their woes.

No, the only responsibility we have are towards those we held as slaves after they were sold and delivered to us (by the Dutch). And there were plenty of other nations buying slaves at that point in history. The US was not the sole purveyor.

That Central American nations have CHOSEN to be the drug suppliers for North America is entirely, 100% on them. Yes, we expressed demand upon that market, however they CHOSE to be the ones to satisfy that demand (and let's not forget, to keep it going as well). There was no onus on them to become the supplier, just their own greed. And by that they doomed themselves to a culture rife with corruption and violence.
 
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Viet Nam is one of the poorest nation and their children are still being born with defects thanks to the chems we spread there (and others are having their limbs blown off by unexploded ordinance) and he thinks we didn't screw them over.

Take a look at the silly question I was responding to and the response fits perfectly. There was no mention of that last statement, no need for a context change.
 
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Take a look at the silly question I was responding to and the response fits perfectly. There was no mention of that last statement, no need for a context change.

I did, and your example doesn't show how a weaker force can prevent a stronger one from screwing them over
 
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I did, and your example doesn't show how a weaker force can prevent a stronger one from screwing them over

Okay, so you're saying the US prevailed in Vietnam and that the VC lost the day. Gotcha. Yeah, that sounds right, NOT!
 
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Okay, so you're saying the US prevailed in Vietnam and that the VC lost the day. Gotcha. Yeah, that sounds right, NOT!

No, I'm not but you're saying that the US didn't screw them over
 
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No, I'm not but you're saying that the US didn't screw them over

Good grief, here is the post I was responding to, I don't wish to engage you in your typical semantic change the goal posts game.

Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post

What the ****?

Tell me what an unarmed 100 pounder is going to do to a 220 pound 7.5 foot tall giant with a belt-fed machine gun...

And so, you become ignored for the rest of this thread until you can post something even slightly intelligent.
 
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Good grief, here is the post I was responding to, I don't wish to engage you in your typical semantic change the goal posts game.

The quote confirms that I'm right and you're wrong
 
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Good grief, here is the post I was responding to, I don't wish to engage you in your typical semantic change the goal posts game.

South America is no longer under U.S rule but the dictators still screwed them over, Sangha has a point, so you're right, a 100 pounder can potentially beat back the 220 pounder when he gets bored, but doesn't mean he won't have bruises, nasty nasty bruises that won't heal for some time.
 
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Exactly, we still have responsibility for the slave trade, them selling themselves doesn't justify ****.

If it weren't for us there would be no slave trade because there would be no customers.

So yes, we need to take some responsibility for their woes.

No one referred to a justification except you. (strawman)

You need to brush up on your history. The US isn't the only nation that engaged in the slave trade.

The responsibility for the slave trade was shared by colonists/Americans, Africans, South Americans, and Europeans who engaged in it. They were all wrong, period.

Maybe you and your mom should conduct more research since you talk about it "all the time" so you can become more knowledgeable.
 
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