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Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

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A day before meeting with President Obama at the White House to discuss the border crisis, the presidents of Honduras and Guatemala blamed the wave of unaccompanied children inundating the U.S. on American foreign policy and on gridlock in Congress over immigration reform.Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez said ambiguity in Washington’s immigration debate has helped human smugglers, called “coyotes,” convince Central Americans that they can stay in the U.S. if they make the long, illegal journey.


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What a couple of Idiots....How about they get control of their own countries, and realize that people are fleeing their socialist countries for freedom...We, can't help them...Send the kids back.
 
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What a couple of Idiots....How about they get control of their own countries, and realize that people are fleeing their socialist countries for freedom...We, can't help them...Send the kids back.

What a bunch of bull****. If their countries weren't a couple of ****holes, all those people wouldn't be wanting to leave in record numbers.

Mr. Perez said U.S. efforts to combat drug gangs in Colombia and Mexico are pushing organized crime into Central America. “What has been good for Colombia and Mexico has been bad for us,” he said.

Mr. Hernandez said the drug trade — “the monster” — thrives off of Americans’ appetite for illegal drugs. “That monster has one foot in Central America and one foot in the U.S.,” he said.

The Obama administration also has blamed violence and drug gangs in Central America for forcing families and children to flee to the U.S.

Yes, but they don't seem to realize is a difference between those countries. Mexico is right on our border, that does deserve our attention because it effects what enters our country. Colombia is a whole different ballgame and our involvement is not strictly because of drugs or gangs and goes back decades. I'm not saying our foreign policy to Central America is perfect but we can only do so much and their own leaders also need to step up and handle things as well instead of just blaming us. **** just in Guatemala alone in 2012 we gave them $144,633,432!!


How much money does the U.S. give to Guatemala?
 
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In fairness, they said the US "SHARES" blame. They recognized that they need to do more with their limited abilities and pointed out that the US's successful campaigners in Columbia and Mexico have pushed gangs and drug lords into their countries.
 
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In fairness, they said the US "SHARES" blame. They recognized that they need to do more with their limited abilities and pointed out that the US's successful campaigners in Columbia and Mexico have pushed gangs and drug lords into their countries.

Do you think we should increase aid to Central America? I'm torn because we already do give them alot and it's like we keep helping and helping all these countries and nothing really gets accomplished and our own country is failing in the meanwhile. We do share and we do help out yet when do they help or even thank us?
 
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Do you think we should increase aid to Central America? I'm torn because we already do give them alot and it's like we keep helping and helping all these countries and nothing really gets accomplished and our own country is failing in the meanwhile. We do share and we do help out yet when do they help us?

Well first, I was directing my comment to j, and I should have quoted him, sorry that it looks like I was responding to you. You make a valid point however. No I don't think we need to throw more money. However, the ME and Eastern Europe have admittedly had my attention lately, and I'm not sure of recent developments in Central America and whether we've been truly trying to help, for those people's benefit, or whether its been more US help that's aimed at advancing "US interests" as we've seen so often there for a century now.
 
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I say it's Putin's fault.
 
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Well first, I was directing my comment to j, and I should have quoted him, sorry that it looks like I was responding to you. You make a valid point however. No I don't think we need to throw more money. However, the ME and Eastern Europe have admittedly had my attention lately, and I'm not sure of recent developments in Central America and whether we've been truly trying to help, for those people's benefit, or whether its been more US help that's aimed at advancing "US interests" as we've seen so often there for a century now.


I didn't think it was directed at me, just thought you made some good points and wanted to explore those a little more. :)
 
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I didn't think it was directed at me, just thought you made some good points and wanted to explore those a little more. :)

One thing is also true that Mexican and Central Americans will always be correct about when they point it out. US demand for drugs promotes the lucrative business, just sayin.
 
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What a couple of Idiots....How about they get control of their own countries, and realize that people are fleeing their socialist countries for freedom...We, can't help them...Send the kids back.

I mean, I can understand them. They must be very embarrassed. Nobody wants to stay in their paradise on earth and deserts to the Yankee Demon. I mean, that is egg on the vest for these guys.
 
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One thing is also true that Mexican and Central Americans will always be correct about when they point it out. US demand for drugs promotes the lucrative business, just sayin.

True.

However, it would seem to me, the reality is that the leaders of these countries want their people to leave. It solves some population problems related to infrastructure and support, places the entire burden of caring for the most needy of their populations on the backs of US Taxpayers, and the remittances extracted from the exploitation of the US is a major source of revenue.
 
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True.

However, it would seem to me, the reality is that the leaders of these countries want their people to leave. It solves some population problems related to infrastructure and support, places the entire burden of caring for the most needy of their populations on the backs of US Taxpayers, and the remittances extracted from the exploitation of the US is a major source of revenue.

And that's also true. But then this would be moot as soon as Americans kick their drug addiction!
 
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And that's also true. But then this would be moot as soon as Americans kick their drug addiction!

Abject poverty has been an issue in Latin American countries long before the "Drug Lords" came into power. The "blame it on drugs" meme is just an excuse that doesn't hold water.
 
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You could be on to something there.

Unintended consequences: 2008 anti-trafficking law contributes to border crisis

2008 anti-trafficking law contributes to border crisis - CNN.com

We have an unstable demographic situation that requires immigration. I am all for finding a way to bring those kids in and educate them to be productive members of the society they choose to live in. If they later want to go back? Fine. They probably will not hate us. If they want to stay? Fine. We will need educated people in a few years.

Should we have passed an anti-trafficking law preventing sex slaves? Should you hate Bush, because he did? That is up to you.
 
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You could be on to something there.


Unintended consequences: 2008 anti-trafficking law contributes to border crisis

2008 anti-trafficking law contributes to border crisis - CNN.com

I don't think it's the law itself, but the current application of the law that is a problem. All the people have to do is follow instructions and say the right words, and they can be handed keys to the kingdom. If a "child" is from Mexico, just tell the border patrol they are from one of the four countries covered in the law. If a Mother and child are at the border, separate and meet up later. The child is protected by this law, and the Mother can claim asylum and refugee status.

It's all part of the plan in this election year.
 
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What a couple of Idiots....How about they get control of their own countries, and realize that people are fleeing their socialist countries for freedom...We, can't help them...Send the kids back.

Well, they're half right. If not for the regime pushing amnesty, this might not be happening.
 
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Decriminalize drugs and the cartels are NOTHING. Their power is directly derived from the fact that the failed war on drugs policy has done nothing but given them seats of power.
 
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No! It was Bush!


Could be, as somethings that were credit to Obama on this were Bush decisions. So, the humor may have a small basis in truth. But small.
 
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I don't think it's the law itself, but the current application of the law that is a problem. All the people have to do is follow instructions and say the right words, and they can be handed keys to the kingdom. If a "child" is from Mexico, just tell the border patrol they are from one of the four countries covered in the law. If a Mother and child are at the border, separate and meet up later. The child is protected by this law, and the Mother can claim asylum and refugee status.

It's all part of the plan in this election year.

Not just this election year, the anchor (or jackpot) baby goes back to the 1965 immigration act. Decades upon decades of open borders have allowed how many illegal immigrants into America? 5, 10, 15, 20. We have a systemic problem and its mainly because big business isn't interested in secure borders, and with both parties pandering to big business, we'll see more of the same. The handwringing and finger pointing serves as a good distraction from that.
 
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Well, they're half right. If not for the regime pushing amnesty, this might not be happening.

There's only been one true amnesty in our history.
 
Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

Not just this election year, the anchor (or jackpot) baby goes back to the 1965 immigration act. Decades upon decades of open borders have allowed how many illegal immigrants into America? 5, 10, 15, 20. We have a systemic problem and its mainly because big business isn't interested in secure borders, and with both parties pandering to big business, we'll see more of the same. The handwringing and finger pointing serves as a good distraction from that.

I was referring to the manipulated invasion that is being encouraged and coordinated by the White House and liberal/progressive leaders that is occurring right now. I understand this has been going on for some time.
 
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