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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well you've got a point. However you want to blame it on them, presume that they're inferior, when in fact they're wealth was looted, first by several European countries, then the US kicked them out and proceeded to loot. But then you probably know nothing of any of that, and therefore will deny it too.
    It's interesting how difficult it is for people to grasp the reality of the situation in Latin America. You use the word inferior. As best as I can remember, I haven't used that word. What I've suggested is there is a cultural/societal force at work. If not, why would the citizens of Latin America continually allow European countries and then the US to loot their countries?

    The US, for example, was certainly looted and dominated by European countries in it's history. Why didn't it end up with the same result. I don't think it was just superior intelligence that separates the two America's. I think there is something in the culture that has led to this result.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

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    That bigger issue would be US menacing by the CIA, overthrowing left leaning democracies and replacing them with right wing dictatorships.
    Sorry, but I don' buy into that meme for a moment. It seems to me, applying ideological rhetoric to an explanation accomplishes nothing. Consider the plight of Venezuela. Hugo Chavez, with the support of the citizens, destroyed the economic health of the Nation with his ambition killing Socialist BS. It's left the very people such ideologies pretend to help in dire straights.

    So the question becomes, why did the citizens, made up of races from the melting pot of the world, allow such of piece of garbage as Hugo Chavez to run the country? The only answer I can come to is there is a cultural element involved that will continue to create extreme poverty and economic uncertainty.

    The slums the citizens seem willing to create through their own actions are a problem, and it seems rather clear the latest immigration wave is an attempt to take care of that by transferring their problems to the US.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

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    It's interesting how difficult it is for people to grasp the reality of the situation in Latin America. You use the word inferior. As best as I can remember, I haven't used that word. What I've suggested is there is a cultural/societal force at work. If not, why would the citizens of Latin America continually allow European countries and then the US to loot their countries?

    The US, for example, was certainly looted and dominated by European countries in it's history. Why didn't it end up with the same result. I don't think it was just superior intelligence that separates the two America's. I think there is something in the culture that has led to this result.
    Can you please describe for me examples of how European countries have looted the US? And particularly in any fashion as they did Latin America, pretty much destroying entire cultures such as Inca/Aztec, or as the US has looted/exploited Latin America?
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Sorry, but I don' buy into that meme for a moment. It seems to me, applying ideological rhetoric to an explanation accomplishes nothing. Consider the plight of Venezuela. Hugo Chavez, with the support of the citizens, destroyed the economic health of the Nation with his ambition killing Socialist BS. It's left the very people such ideologies pretend to help in dire straights.

    So the question becomes, why did the citizens, made up of races from the melting pot of the world, allow such of piece of garbage as Hugo Chavez to run the country? The only answer I can come to is there is a cultural element involved that will continue to create extreme poverty and economic uncertainty.

    The slums the citizens seem willing to create through their own actions are a problem, and it seems rather clear the latest immigration wave is an attempt to take care of that by transferring their problems to the US.
    You don't buy into it because as with most Americans its a hard pill to swallow.

    CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: “We’ll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us.” The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy).

    The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments (more recently termed "regime change") without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

    Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA. The United States has also accomplished regime change by direct military action, such as following the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989 and the U.S.-led military invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover...change_actions

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timel...cities/5348804
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Can you please describe for me examples of how European countries have looted the US? And particularly in any fashion as they did Latin America, pretty much destroying entire cultures such as Inca/Aztec, or as the US has looted/exploited Latin America?
    LOL

    I have no obligation to give you a history lesson. The foundation of the US is based on removing European exploitation. As to Incs/Aztecs, perhaps you should be pointing fingers at Spain and other European nations.

    Perhaps I'm misreading your post, but it seems your understanding of history is way off base.

    In the end, however, the question remains. What is it about the culture of the people who live in Latin America, that tolerates the historical pattern your blaming the US on?

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You don't buy into it because as with most Americans its a hard pill to swallow.

    CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: “We’ll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us.” The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy).

    The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments (more recently termed "regime change") without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

    Regime change has been attempted through direct involvement of U.S. operatives, the funding and training of insurgency groups within these countries, anti-regime propaganda campaigns, coups d'état, and other activities usually conducted as operations by the CIA. The United States has also accomplished regime change by direct military action, such as following the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1989 and the U.S.-led military invasion of Iraq in 2003.

    Covert United States foreign regime change actions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A Timeline of CIA Atrocities | Global Research
    I don't need a history lesson in US involvement in Latin America. Perhaps you could address the point, rather than keep avoiding it.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL

    I have no obligation to give you a history lesson. The foundation of the US is based on removing European exploitation. As to Incs/Aztecs, perhaps you should be pointing fingers at Spain and other European nations.

    Perhaps I'm misreading your post, but it seems your understanding of history is way off base.

    In the end, however, the question remains. What is it about the culture of the people who live in Latin America, that tolerates the historical pattern your blaming the US on?
    What the hell, I fingered the Europeans for the destruction of the Incas/Aztecs in the post you just quoted, read it again.
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I don't need a history lesson in US involvement in Latin America. Perhaps you could address the point, rather than keep avoiding it.
    Well if you understand US intrigue in Latin America for decades, you understand the nature of the trouble in it.
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What the hell, I fingered the Europeans for the destruction of the Incas/Aztecs in the post you just quoted, read it again.
    Yes, I see. As I wrote, I may have misread your post. As to what way did European nations exploit the US, I think I'll leave that truth to history. Lots of people died to stop that exploitation. Does that not register?

    Again, what is it about the culture of Latin American, that allows these exploitations to continue generation after generation? It's a legitimate question.

    The US recovered not only from the devastation of removing the external forces, but also from an attempt to destroy itself. Latin America does not seem to be able to do this.

    Why?

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Yes, I see. As I wrote, I may have misread your post. As to what way did European nations exploit the US, I think I'll leave that truth to history. Lots of people died to stop that exploitation. Does that not register?

    Again, what is it about the culture of Latin American, that allows these exploitations to continue generation after generation? It's a legitimate question.

    The US recovered not only from the devastation of removing the external forces, but also from an attempt to destroy itself. Latin America does not seem to be able to do this.

    Why?
    Obviously they haven't the resources to resist America's big stick. Central American countries combined have a fraction of the US GDP. I just showed you several posts back the level of violence and sabotage the CIA has deployed against the countries in this region, and you blame these comparatively weak countries for not standing up against it!
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