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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Howdy Polgara! US intrigue in Central America hasn't always provided a leg up!

    The Reagan Administration lent logistical, financial and military support to the Contras, based in neighboring Honduras, who waged a guerrilla insurgency in an effort to topple the Sandinista government of Nicaragua (which was headed by Daniel Ortega). This support was funneled through the CIA to the rebels, and continued right through Reagan's period in office. The scorched earth tactics of the Contras were condemned for their brutality by several historians.[46] In 1983, the CIA created a group of "Unilaterally Controlled Latino Assets" (UCLAs), whose task was to "sabotage ports, refineries, boats and bridges, and try to make it look like the contras had done it."[50] In January 1984, these UCLA's carried out the operation for which they would be best known; the mining of several Nicaraguan harbors, which sank several Nicaraguan boats and damaged at least five foreign vessels. This incident led to the ratification of the Boland Amendment by the US Congress, and brought an avalanche of international condemnation down on the United States.[51] The CIA also provided training and arms, as well as funding, directly to the Contras.[52]

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    Crushing the spread of Communism/Socialism in our back yard has not always been pretty, or effectively carried out. One should remember the circumstances in these countries that were in place prior to the take over by these radical regimes. Our efforts to derail their growth did not lead to poverty in those countries. Such realities were already in place.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What a couple of Idiots....How about they get control of their own countries, and realize that people are fleeing their socialist countries for freedom...We, can't help them...Send the kids back.
    It is partially our fault. Waves of guns, and cash funding the drug cartels etc. And also NAFTA and our trade policies have destroyed the rural farming communiteis in these countries.


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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Crushing the spread of Communism/Socialism in our back yard has not always been pretty, or effectively carried out. One should remember the circumstances in these countries that were in place prior to the take over by these radical regimes. Our efforts to derail their growth did not lead to poverty in those countries. Such realities were already in place.
    Well we fell off the same page soon enough. Destroying an already poor nations infrastructure is not a leg up, and drives it further into poverty. And defending this in a desire to keep the SU out of Central America has failed in two ways, they are there again, with China this time.

    In 1983, the CIA created a group of "Unilaterally Controlled Latino Assets" (UCLAs), whose task was to "sabotage ports, refineries, boats and bridges, and try to make it look like the contras had done it.

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    Presidents have used our CIA to bully our way through many places around the world. Stop defending bad behavior at home if you wish credibility in condemning it abroad.
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well we fell off the same page soon enough. Destroying an already poor nations infrastructure is not a leg up, and drives it further into poverty. And defending this in a desire to keep the SU out of Central America has failed in two ways, they are there again, with China this time.

    In 1983, the CIA created a group of "Unilaterally Controlled Latino Assets" (UCLAs), whose task was to "sabotage ports, refineries, boats and bridges, and try to make it look like the contras had done it.

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    Presidents have used our CIA to bully our way through many places around the world. Stop defending bad behavior at home if you wish credibility in condemning it abroad.
    That China is there again is the ongoing point. I haven't defended CIA's actions, if fact I've implied it was poorly executed. What I have written is that these countries were impoverished before, do to their cultural/societal standards, and continue to be that way, despite any actions the CIA took. The CIA's actions in the '80's is not to blame for the current conditions in Latin America.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    That China is there again is the ongoing point. I haven't defended CIA's actions, if fact I've implied it was poorly executed. What I have written is that these countries were impoverished before, do to their cultural/societal standards, and continue to be that way, despite any actions the CIA took. The CIA's actions in the '80's is not to blame for the current conditions in Latin America.
    Well I don't know how that could truly be argued either way. But unless one believes the CIA is a rogue agency, it was under Reagan's direction that they were ordered to commit the crime of destroying Honduras infrastructure wishing it to be blamed on the Contras. If Individuals destroyed US property, in an attempt to make it look like their rivals, and were caught, they would be in prison. The CIA is NEVER held accountable, EVER. And finds plenty of cover from apologetic Americans. But the end justifies the means. In an attempt to keep out "evil Russian communists" we export our own evil.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well I don't know how that could truly be argued either way. But unless one believes the CIA is a rogue agency, it was under Reagan's direction that they were ordered to commit the crime of destroying Honduras infrastructure wishing it to be blamed on the Contras. If Individuals destroyed US property, in an attempt to make it look like their rivals, and were caught, they would be in prison. The CIA is NEVER held accountable, EVER. And finds plenty of cover from apologetic Americans. But the end justifies the means. In an attempt to keep out "evil Russian communists" we export our own evil.
    I've always agreed that the CIA is a rogue agency. They exceeded their mandate from day one of their formation. However, that's no excuse for Central America's current state.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Howdy Polgara! US intrigue in Central America hasn't always provided a leg up!

    The Reagan Administration lent logistical, financial and military support to the Contras, based in neighboring Honduras, who waged a guerrilla insurgency in an effort to topple the Sandinista government of Nicaragua (which was headed by Daniel Ortega). This support was funneled through the CIA to the rebels, and continued right through Reagan's period in office. The scorched earth tactics of the Contras were condemned for their brutality by several historians.[46] In 1983, the CIA created a group of "Unilaterally Controlled Latino Assets" (UCLAs), whose task was to "sabotage ports, refineries, boats and bridges, and try to make it look like the contras had done it."[50] In January 1984, these UCLA's carried out the operation for which they would be best known; the mining of several Nicaraguan harbors, which sank several Nicaraguan boats and damaged at least five foreign vessels. This incident led to the ratification of the Boland Amendment by the US Congress, and brought an avalanche of international condemnation down on the United States.[51] The CIA also provided training and arms, as well as funding, directly to the Contras.[52]

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    Are you saying that we may be paying retribution now for things that have happened in the past? That's possible, I suppose, and Karma does have a way of making sure wrongs are righted, but who does the CIA report to? Am I to believe they are a self-funded rogue group who unilaterally decides which leader needs to be deposed or killed, or which rebels to support, or who gets what money? Or are they just doing what they are told to do by someone higher up? I suspect it may be the latter, because that makes more sense but who is giving the orders, and who are they taking orders from? That's the scary part!

    Happy Friday to you, Montecresto. Hope your day is going great!

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well I don't know how that could truly be argued either way. But unless one believes the CIA is a rogue agency, it was under Reagan's direction that they were ordered to commit the crime of destroying Honduras infrastructure wishing it to be blamed on the Contras. If Individuals destroyed US property, in an attempt to make it look like their rivals, and were caught, they would be in prison. The CIA is NEVER held accountable, EVER. And finds plenty of cover from apologetic Americans. But the end justifies the means. In an attempt to keep out "evil Russian communists" we export our own evil.
    I guess one can't be on the same page in everything. The world is a dangerous place. In more cases than people want to admit, the end does justify the means. Certainly history has shown cases when the end SHOULD have justified the means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I've always agreed that the CIA is a rogue agency. They exceeded their mandate from day one of their formation. However, that's no excuse for Central America's current state.
    I can somewhat agree with this post.
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Are you saying that we may be paying retribution now for things that have happened in the past? That's possible, I suppose, and Karma does have a way of making sure wrongs are righted, but who does the CIA report to? Am I to believe they are a self-funded rogue group who unilaterally decides which leader needs to be deposed or killed, or which rebels to support, or who gets what money? Or are they just doing what they are told to do by someone higher up? I suspect it may be the latter, because that makes more sense but who is giving the orders, and who are they taking orders from? That's the scary part!

    Happy Friday to you, Montecresto. Hope your day is going great!
    THANKS Polgara, same to you! I hope the CIA is advancing State Department policy, even as I often disagree with that policy. The alternative you point to is even worse.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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