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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Decriminalize drugs and the cartels are NOTHING. Their power is directly derived from the fact that the failed war on drugs policy has done nothing but given them seats of power.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    No! It was Bush!

    Could be, as somethings that were credit to Obama on this were Bush decisions. So, the humor may have a small basis in truth. But small.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I don't think it's the law itself, but the current application of the law that is a problem. All the people have to do is follow instructions and say the right words, and they can be handed keys to the kingdom. If a "child" is from Mexico, just tell the border patrol they are from one of the four countries covered in the law. If a Mother and child are at the border, separate and meet up later. The child is protected by this law, and the Mother can claim asylum and refugee status.

    It's all part of the plan in this election year.
    Not just this election year, the anchor (or jackpot) baby goes back to the 1965 immigration act. Decades upon decades of open borders have allowed how many illegal immigrants into America? 5, 10, 15, 20. We have a systemic problem and its mainly because big business isn't interested in secure borders, and with both parties pandering to big business, we'll see more of the same. The handwringing and finger pointing serves as a good distraction from that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, they're half right. If not for the regime pushing amnesty, this might not be happening.
    There's only been one true amnesty in our history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not just this election year, the anchor (or jackpot) baby goes back to the 1965 immigration act. Decades upon decades of open borders have allowed how many illegal immigrants into America? 5, 10, 15, 20. We have a systemic problem and its mainly because big business isn't interested in secure borders, and with both parties pandering to big business, we'll see more of the same. The handwringing and finger pointing serves as a good distraction from that.
    I was referring to the manipulated invasion that is being encouraged and coordinated by the White House and liberal/progressive leaders that is occurring right now. I understand this has been going on for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I was referring to the manipulated invasion that is being encouraged and coordinated by the White House and liberal/progressive leaders that is occurring right now. I understand this has been going on for some time.
    I will agree what's happening now is very bad. Pointing to liberal/progressives is irrelevant. The mid 80's amnesty was hugely injurious as well. We have a failed government problem in Washington, and we all need to be about holding every administration accountable. That will require partisans on the left helping the right at this time, and partisans on the right helping the left next time, when a republican president is pulling border shenanigans. But who thinks that will happen. No, the finger pointing will continue and the open border will continue, too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I will agree what's happening now is very bad. Pointing to liberal/progressives is irrelevant. The mid 80's amnesty was hugely injurious as well. We have a failed government problem in Washington, and we all need to be about holding every administration accountable. That will require partisans on the left helping the right at this time, and partisans on the right helping the left next time, when a republican president is pulling border shenanigans. But who thinks that will happen. No, the finger pointing will continue and the open border will continue, too!
    I have no problem holding everyone, including members of my political party, responsible. Any candidate that supports amnesty is done in my book.

    The only solution to this situation starts with the employers. The US Chamber of Commerce is a joke; It no longer represents business.

    Crushing sanctions must be applied to employers and private citizens who knowingly break the law by hiring illegals. Dry up the income, and the illegals can re-board death trains back to the own countries. Perhaps then they could do something for themselves and correct the terrible situations there.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I have no problem holding everyone, including members of my political party, responsible. Any candidate that supports amnesty is done in my book.

    The only solution to this situation starts with the employers. The US Chamber of Commerce is a joke; It no longer represents business.

    Crushing sanctions must be applied to employers and private citizens who knowingly break the law by hiring illegals. Dry up the income, and the illegals can re-board death trains back to the own countries. Perhaps then they could do something for themselves and correct the terrible situations there.
    And behold we're on the same page!!
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    What a bunch of bull****. If their countries weren't a couple of ****holes, all those people wouldn't be wanting to leave in record numbers.



    Yes, but they don't seem to realize is a difference between those countries. Mexico is right on our border, that does deserve our attention because it effects what enters our country. Colombia is a whole different ballgame and our involvement is not strictly because of drugs or gangs and goes back decades. I'm not saying our foreign policy to Central America is perfect but we can only do so much and their own leaders also need to step up and handle things as well instead of just blaming us. **** just in Guatemala alone in 2012 we gave them $144,633,432!!


    How much money does the U.S. give to Guatemala?
    "It's not our fault" seems to be a common refrain among people who won't take responsibility for anything! Then they further insult us by stating that we must "share the blame" for the mess they made of their own country! What does the US get in return from Guatemala, for instance, for the $144 million dollars we give them every year? A bunch of kids for us to babysit, feed, clothe and provide shelter for, not to mention the adults with their hands wide open for the freebies we give them? That seems like a very lopsided tradeoff to me! I wouldn't give them another penny in foreign aid till they get their act together! What are we - their Mommie? Damn!

    They're on the way to making us as poor as they are, and maybe that's the plan, and all concerned can have a good hearty laugh at our expense, but we have children and wounded veterans living in poverty here in our own country, and we need to take care of our own first! And I don't want to hear that we don't have money to repair our crumbling infrastructure - that's obviously : since we seem to have money to send to every other country on this planet who asks! Billions to the Ukraine, as an example? WTH? Why? You don't see Russia or China acting as foolishly as we do!

    Greetings, Americanwoman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    "It's not our fault" seems to be a common refrain among people who won't take responsibility for anything! Then they further insult us by stating that we must "share the blame" for the mess they made of their own country! What does the US get in return from Guatemala, for instance, for the $144 million dollars we give them every year? A bunch of kids for us to babysit, feed, clothe and provide shelter for, not to mention the adults with their hands wide open for the freebies we give them? That seems like a very lopsided tradeoff to me! I wouldn't give them another penny in foreign aid till they get their act together! What are we - their Mommie? Damn!

    They're on the way to making us as poor as they are, and maybe that's the plan, and all concerned can have a good hearty laugh at our expense, but we have children and wounded veterans living in poverty here in our own country, and we need to take care of our own first! And I don't want to hear that we don't have money to repair our crumbling infrastructure - that's obviously : since we seem to have money to send to every other country on this planet who asks! Billions to the Ukraine, as an example? WTH? Why? You don't see Russia or China acting as foolishly as we do!

    Greetings, Americanwoman.
    Howdy Polgara! US intrigue in Central America hasn't always provided a leg up!

    The Reagan Administration lent logistical, financial and military support to the Contras, based in neighboring Honduras, who waged a guerrilla insurgency in an effort to topple the Sandinista government of Nicaragua (which was headed by Daniel Ortega). This support was funneled through the CIA to the rebels, and continued right through Reagan's period in office. The scorched earth tactics of the Contras were condemned for their brutality by several historians.[46] In 1983, the CIA created a group of "Unilaterally Controlled Latino Assets" (UCLAs), whose task was to "sabotage ports, refineries, boats and bridges, and try to make it look like the contras had done it."[50] In January 1984, these UCLA's carried out the operation for which they would be best known; the mining of several Nicaraguan harbors, which sank several Nicaraguan boats and damaged at least five foreign vessels. This incident led to the ratification of the Boland Amendment by the US Congress, and brought an avalanche of international condemnation down on the United States.[51] The CIA also provided training and arms, as well as funding, directly to the Contras.[52]

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