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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm not espousing it. I'm just trying to demonstrate for you that with big business behind it, it's coming.
    It's politicians after the Hispanic vote who are behind it. The Democrats have a lock on the Black vote and most of the female vote. They need Hispanics to ensure their success. The Republicans feel they need it to defeat the Democrats. More Hispanics will change the voting demographics for a long while.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's politicians after the Hispanic vote who are behind it. The Democrats have a lock on the Black vote and most of the female vote. They need Hispanics to ensure their success. The Republicans feel they need it to defeat the Democrats. More Hispanics will change the voting demographics for a long while.
    Loose the conservative talking points.

    Here's this, from one of your own Michelle Malkin. One of the only times I've seen her correctly expose both party complicity.

    While cynical politicians prattle on about protecting the American Dream, they’re working together to destroy it. If these elected officials care so much about reducing poverty, why are they working so hard to import more of it from around the world? Leaders in both political parties have thrown struggling Americans under the bus to feed the cheap illegal alien labor machine.

    http://michellemalkin.com/category/i...borders-lobby/
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Loose the conservative talking points.

    Here's this, from one of your own Michelle Malkin. One of the only times I've seen here correctly expose both party complicity.

    While cynical politicians prattle on about protecting the American Dream, they’re working together to destroy it. If these elected officials care so much about reducing poverty, why are they working so hard to import more of it from around the world? Leaders in both political parties have thrown struggling Americans under the bus to feed the cheap illegal alien labor machine.

    Michelle Malkin | Open Borders Lobby
    Michelle Malkin is one of my own?

    Anyway that fellow who you posted earlier approved of open borders and you seemed to agree. Is this an about face?

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Michelle Malkin is one of my own?

    Anyway that fellow who you posted earlier approved of open borders and you seemed to agree. Is this an about face?
    Yes, a fellow conservative, far right. You want to distance yourself from her on this. Speak to that specifically Grant.

    No, no about face, I certainly never said I agree with him. I'm simply proving to you throughout this thread that big business wants open borders and that both parties pander to big business, therefore our borders will remain open. This frustrates your attempt to make the open borders a partisan issue and blame it all on the Democratic Party!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, a fellow conservative, far right. You want to distance yourself from her on this. Speak to that specifically Grant.
    Don't be so obviously foolish.

    No, no about face, I certainly never said I agree with him. I'm simply proving to you throughout this thread that big business wants open borders and that both parties pander to big business, therefore our borders will remain open. This frustrates your attempt to make the open borders a partisan issue and blame it all on the Democratic Party!
    So it was just one guys silly opinion. There are plenty of those around and they should all be ignored. I have to remind you here that this guy was not speaking for the Republican Party so does it really matter?

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Don't be so obviously foolish.



    So it was just one guys silly opinion. There are plenty of those around and they should all be ignored. I have to remind you here that this guy was not speaking for the Republican Party so does it really matter?
    So you want to ignore that Michelle Malkin has correctly pointed out that the leadership in BOTH parties have been throwing the American worker under the bus!! Supporting open border policies. I figured you'd need to hide from that one.

    And the fact that big business wants open borders, the open border lobby as Michelle Malkin calls it, has been demonstrated to you throughout this thread. Not just one mans opinion, but numerous people's revelations, including the president of the American Bankers Association. What do you want to bet that the borders remain as they are, long after Obama's gone, and even if a GOPer is in the WH?

    Now don't be a lazy con. Respond to all this. Coherently.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    What a bunch of bull****. If their countries weren't a couple of ****holes, all those people wouldn't be wanting to leave in record numbers.
    They're not going to admit it is their fault. They, like many Americans, will simply blame Americans first.
    Yes, but they don't seem to realize is a difference between those countries. Mexico is right on our border, that does deserve our attention because it effects what enters our country. Colombia is a whole different ballgame and our involvement is not strictly because of drugs or gangs and goes back decades. I'm not saying our foreign policy to Central America is perfect but we can only do so much and their own leaders also need to step up and handle things as well instead of just blaming us. **** just in Guatemala alone in 2012 we gave them $144,633,432!!
    There are few well managed Latin American countries. The Spanish were among the worst colonizers and their customs and laws are designed to suppress the average person.

    The best thing Americans can do is to stop giving them aid. These are not 'developing countries'. Most have been around as long as America. They are just horribly run elitist countries who pander to the international left as though they are actually out to help 'the people'.

    Consider that these countries are ideally situated between two large continents with temporal climates, access to the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, and soil that would grow anything..Yet they remain in poverty.

    The people of these countries would be far better off is they had access to the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights than the medieval laws they have there now.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You could be on to something there.


    Unintended consequences: 2008 anti-trafficking law contributes to border crisis

    2008 anti-trafficking law contributes to border crisis - CNN.com
    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I don't think it's the law itself, but the current application of the law that is a problem. All the people have to do is follow instructions and say the right words, and they can be handed keys to the kingdom. If a "child" is from Mexico, just tell the border patrol they are from one of the four countries covered in the law. If a Mother and child are at the border, separate and meet up later. The child is protected by this law, and the Mother can claim asylum and refugee status.

    It's all part of the plan in this election year.
    I agree with both posters. The William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Action Act is having some unintended consequences. It wasn't designed to give "free passage" to any child who merely walks across our southern border and claims they are outcasts. It was designed to protect children from outside Mexico or Canada who were determined to be part of the global child sex trafficking trade. The presidents of Honduras and Guatemala are also correct in stating that the "coyotes" are exploiting the dissention among the political ranks to come to terms on U.S. immigration reform policy. Moreover, ocean515 also makes a good point; all the illegal Mexican children who cross our southern border have to say is they're from Central America not Mexico and they're all but here for who knows how long before they have a immigration hearing.

    Now, I don't want to sound uncaring about this situation, but I am of the opinion that these children should be sent back to Central America as soon as possible. I understand the lawlessness that's taking place down there and it is an awful situation. However, just because those country's local or government law enforcement entities can't get control of the situation in their streets doesn't mean that their citizens should become our problem no matter their ages. Nonetheless, they're here and we should do what we can to see to their immediate health and safety needs, but ultimately, they should go back to their native country. They only way you apply refugee status to these kids is if their nation is going through a health and safety crisis (i.e., epidemic or pandemic) or experiencing a national security problem, i.e., (civil) war.

    In short, I think we're being exploited and that no side of this "triangle-trade" of illegal immigration - Central America, Democrats or Republicans - are doing enough to resolve the problem. Now, whether or not the White House is using the WTVPA to force politicians to take up the immigration issue is another story (which in itself has its roots in conspiracy theory), but two things are clear: 1) The President does seem to have his hands tied here due to a law that came into effect prior to his presidency, and 2) Congress is deadlocked on a way forward on new immigration policy to resolved the illegal immigration/path to U.S. citizenship problem.
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What a couple of Idiots....How about they get control of their own countries, and realize that people are fleeing their socialist countries for freedom...We, can't help them...Send the kids back.
    Juan Orlando Hernandez a socialist? Now I've heard everything. Also what do you mean by "get control of their countries"? Presumably you don't think they should be preventing people from leaving their countries. His critique of what is motivating this surge in migrants is accurate and we should welcome these immigrants. Teach them English, invite their families to settle and pay taxes, and become productive citizens of this great country.
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Juan Orlando Hernandez a socialist? Now I've heard everything. Also what do you mean by "get control of their countries"? Presumably you don't think they should be preventing people from leaving their countries. His critique of what is motivating this surge in migrants is accurate and we should welcome these immigrants. Teach them English, invite their families to settle and pay taxes, and become productive citizens of this great country.
    It doesn't matter what he calls himself. The government has control over everyone's lives with just a few families controlling the government. He can call himself whatever he wants, depending on what might go down best at the time, but conditions for the Honduran people will not change.

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