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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps you shouldn't wander into posts you know nothing about. I was asking the same thing. I have no clue what the poster was referring to when they wrote about Africa not getting the information.

    I guess for you, looking foolish is the price you pay for thinking you are clever.
    The poster didn't say anything about Africa not getting information

    You look foolish claiming that it did
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    But to say ( as Fenton claimed) that it is soley our immigration policy and nothing to do with drugs is simply not the case, or no? If there were no drugs involved do you think the immigration rates would be the same or not? Yes, our immigration laws are broken but it is also the drug violence that many try to escape from. We have a war on drugs, yet that is also a failed program, but if it wasn't so failed I think it would help somewhat of the problem. I can't say for sure one way or another but knowing how it is atleast in Mexico, I think being proactive in that war years ago could have helped the current situation. Now it's a huge mess.
    If it weren't the drug violence, it would be some other sort of violence that would be used as an excuse. Again, there are plenty of places in both Central and South America where there is little to no violence. If escaping the violence really were the motivation, it would cost them far less time, travelling, hassle, family separation and money to escape it regionally. Illegals come for the money and services. Take that away and we're closer to an answer.

    As to the war on drugs, the history of it tells the story of that. Cocaine and heroin were once legal in the US. Chances are good that if you bought from a snake oil salesman here back in the 1800s, the curative would contain at least one of those. As a consequence we grew a huge addiction problem here in the US. That was the reason for the pharmacy laws and then the bans. Those nations that supplied us then stayed in the business even after the drugs became illegal. Why? Because they saw the chance to hugely profit from the enterprise. They CHOSE to be illegal suppliers rather than shift their exports to something legal. In other words, greed.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Albeit with a 70% reduction in business. Lol, you guys will go to any extreme to cover up American responsibility, including making excuses for American drug addiction!
    Again, so? If you run an illegal business trafficking in addictive substances it is not your customers responsibility for your choice in doing so.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Well to be fair we do have an active 'war of drugs' and where do the drugs come from? If we did something about that, it would help control the reason and the number of illegal immigrants from Central America.
    But thats nothing new.

    Why didn't we have a surge of diseased illegals in the 90s ?

    Or the 70s ?

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Again, so? If you run an illegal business trafficking in addictive substances it is not your customers responsibility for your choice in doing so.
    We're talking about angles of attack to address the problem posed in the op, albeit the poster intended it to sound as though those leaders blamed it ALL on the US, and of course that's false. If Americans ceased to provide the demand, it would have a huge effect on this crisis, if both parties, when in power, would enforce ALL existing immigration laws, and if we could keep our CIA out of the region, we might well be discussing other problems that need addressing.
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Removing the power heads is like cutting off the head of a Hydra. With such a high murder rate the gang leaders probably don't live very long anyway and are quickly replaced.

    I don't know what the answer is but perhaps legalizing pot and cutting off their weapons supply might help enormously.
    Perhaps but it seemed to quell the violence a bit when Escobar was taken down in Columbia.

    I agree with you on changing our drug policies here at home to stem the demand of illegal trade.
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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We're talking about angles of attack to address the problem posed in the op, albeit the poster intended it to sound as though those leaders blamed it ALL on the US, and of course that's false. If Americans ceased to provide the demand, it would have a huge effect on this crisis, if both parties, when in power, would enforce ALL existing immigration laws, and if we could keep our CIA out of the region, we might well be discussing other problems that need addressing.
    I'm fine with reducing the problems of addiction in the US, also fine with cutting the CIA off from being anything other than intel gathering and analysis. They should never had an action element to begin with. But again, if the CIA were tethered and Americans stopped foreign drug use altogether, there would still be drug cartels and there would still be violence in that region. Btw, do we seriously believe there is no cocaine use in the rest of the world?

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    But thats nothing new.

    Why didn't we have a surge of diseased illegals in the 90s ?

    Or the 70s ?
    Hold up just a minute there - diseased? oh my, not this one again, you realize these kids are more likely better vaccinated than us, right?

    Disease Threat From Immigrant Children Wildly Overstated | The Texas Observer

    Fact check: UNICEF reports that 93 percent of kids in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are vaccinated against measles. Thatís better than American kids (92 percent).
    Will Immigrants Make You Sick? - Forbes


    Screening immigrants for vaccine-preventable diseases is a good policy and allows for vaccination for susceptible people, however many recent outbreaks of diseases like measles and mumps have been imported by Americans traveling abroad and returning to communities with poor vaccination rates. Vaccination of Americans is a priority for both domestic and imported risks.

    Siegel calls out some specific diseases he thinks Central American immigrant children are importing. Scabies is an unpleasant skin disease caused by small mites that burrow into the skin. Itís relatively common in the US, especially among people living in crowded and un-hygeinic conditions, but it is not confined to any particular socio-economic class. It requires prolonged skin-to-skin contact for transmission, but can also be transmitted from inanimate objects. The mites can only live for a few days off the body, so object-to-person transmission (ďfomitesĒ) is not very efficient.

    He also calls out drug-resistant tuberculosis. This dangerous disease is thankfully still relatively rare in the US. Imported cases are a concern, but Central America is not a hotbed of T B.

    Scabies and TB are most efficiently spread in crowded conditions, like those immigrants are held in if not sent out into the general population. Keeping immigrants confined increases the risk of these diseases.

    Siegal also mentions a few vanishingly rare diseases such as Hansenís Disease (leprosy), another not-easily spread infection.

    Ignorant and/or mendacious accusations like these inflame fears and hatred but do little to help prevent the spread of infectious diseases.



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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The poster didn't say anything about Africa not getting information

    You look foolish claiming that it did


    Run along Sangha, I tried to give you an out, but I guess you just want to look stupid. Perhaps you can't help yourself.

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    When Europe was mostly destroyed the information was still there, the idea of libraries, schooling, equality and such were still there. It was just a matter of getting some concrete and some building materials.

    Africa and to a slighter extent South America weren't even given the information that Europe or the U.S has.

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    Re: Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Hold up just a minute there - diseased? oh my, not this one again, you realize these kids are more likely better vaccinated than us, right?

    Disease Threat From Immigrant Children Wildly Overstated | The Texas Observer



    Will Immigrants Make You Sick? - Forbes







    really I don't know why I am bothering, it's not like reading facts will change your mind.
    Its bigoted bull crap. The Irish said this about the potato famine Irish immigrants that flooded us. The mass of Germans were seen that way when they came. The Italians were done the same way when they came. The latest wave of immigration is always met with conservative factions playing this bigotry bullcrap against them of how they are dirty and diseased. Every time.
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