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U.S. Considering Refugee Status for Hondurans

ChezC3 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/world/americas/administration-weighs-plan-to-move-processing-of-youths-seeking-entry-to-honduras-.html


A bus ride from their home to the consulate and an American tax payer paid trip to America with citizenship and all the fixins..


I'm beyond words...
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Refugees?????

I had no idea the Honduran government was systematically executing their citizens and was in total chaos..

NONE of these illegals are refugees..... Refugee status is reserved for people who come from brutal authoritarian/totalitarian regimes - NOT for people looking to take advantage of progressives and all the goodies they offer for free to "brown people" in hopes that they vote democrat.

Furthermore it has been government policy to only let in political refugees - not "I hate it here in _______ and the US will give us free money" refugees.
 
clownboy said:
You're not reading, this isn't the kids dumped at the door. This is pickup service paid for by the taxpayer. Can't believe I ever voted for this asshole.
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There's pressure from the UN for the US and Mexico to accept these folk as refugees.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Refugees?????

I had no idea the Honduran government was systematically executing their citizens and was in total chaos..

NONE of these illegals are refugees..... Refugee status is reserved for people who come from brutal authoritarian/totalitarian regimes - NOT for people looking to take advantage of progressives and all the goodies they offer for free to "brown people" in hopes that they vote democrat.

Furthermore it has been government policy to only let in political refugees - not "I hate it here in _______ and the US will give us free money" refugees.
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http://www.undp.org/content/dam/rblac/docs/Research and Publications/IDH/IDH-AL-ExecutiveSummary.pdf


The most recent statistics place Central America as the world’s most violent re- gion. In the last decade there have been 145,000 homicides in 7 countries in the region, the vast majority of them in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. These countries appear each year among the top ten places for homicides in the world. According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) report, in 2010 the rate of homicides for every 100,000 inhabitants in the countries in the region were: read more here.

http://www.ycsg.yale.edu/center/forms/violence-central-america64-72.pdf
 
Montecresto said:
There's pressure from the UN for the US and Mexico to accept these folk as refugees.
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The US has NEVER bowed to pressure from the UN. IF that is true the UN can go take a flying leap.
 
Montecresto said:
http://www.undp.org/content/dam/rblac/docs/Research and Publications/IDH/IDH-AL-ExecutiveSummary.pdf


The most recent statistics place Central America as the world’s most violent re- gion. In the last decade there have been 145,000 homicides in 7 countries in the region, the vast majority of them in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. These countries appear each year among the top ten places for homicides in the world. According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) report, in 2010 the rate of homicides for every 100,000 inhabitants in the countries in the region were: read more here.

http://www.ycsg.yale.edu/center/forms/violence-central-america64-72.pdf
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I'm sorry those folks can't get their **** together. Still doesn't make those folks refugees. It makes them a high crime country which will more than likely export criminals.
 
clownboy said:
The US has NEVER bowed to pressure from the UN. IF that is true the UN can go take a flying leap.
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Use the UN to get permission to go to war with xyz country, and tell them to fo otherwise, ok.
 
Montecresto said:
Use the UN to get permission to go to war with xyz country, and tell them to fo otherwise, ok.
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No, not necessary nor wise. If the UN wants to relocate those folks, relocate them to one of the other South American countries. No need to accept the US being the dumping ground.
 
clownboy said:
I'm sorry those folks can't get their **** together. Still doesn't make those folks refugees. It makes them a high crime country which will more than likely export criminals.
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Blame a crisis of US making on someone else as you will, you're in good company here with that.


The 57,000 children from Central America who have streamed across the U.S.-Mexico border this year were driven in large part by the United States itself. While Democrats and Republicans have been pointing fingers at each other, in reality the current wave of migration from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras has its roots in six decades of U.S. policies carried out by members of both parties.

Since the 1950s, the U.S. has sown violence and instability in Central America. Decades of Cold War gamesmanship, together with the relentless global war on drugs, have left a legacy of chaos and brutality in these countries. In many parts of the region, civil society has given way to lawlessness. It's these conditions the children are escaping.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/refugee-crisis-border_n_5596125.html
 
Montecresto said:
There's pressure from the UN for the US and Mexico to accept these folk as refugees.
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They're NOT refugees and I could care less what the US and the UN have to say. The present day leadership of the US and the UN have absolutely NO IDEA what a refugee even is.

A refugee is a culled/purged individual with no home and no where to go, and in some circumstances an individual that escaped a totalitarian/authoritarian regime in which they cannot go back. Think present day North Korea or Cold War USSR....

Hondurans are NOT even close to meeting any of that criteria.

Also refugees have to be rejected by numerous other countries to seek asylum in the US - the US for refugees (well unless you're from Cuba) is the last resort - not the FIRST resort...

Also , a bit OT here but - for all those that hate Israel and who support all these illegals coming to the US -- Guess what? the entire state of Israel is really nothing more than an entire state of refugees from Nazi Germany and the aftermath? That's something to think about there.
 
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Montecresto said:
Blame a crisis of US making on someone else as you will, you're in good company here with that.


The 57,000 children from Central America who have streamed across the U.S.-Mexico border this year were driven in large part by the United States itself. While Democrats and Republicans have been pointing fingers at each other, in reality the current wave of migration from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras has its roots in six decades of U.S. policies carried out by members of both parties.

Since the 1950s, the U.S. has sown violence and instability in Central America. Decades of Cold War gamesmanship, together with the relentless global war on drugs, have left a legacy of chaos and brutality in these countries. In many parts of the region, civil society has given way to lawlessness. It's these conditions the children are escaping.

Here's How The U.S. Sparked A Refugee Crisis On The Border, In 8 Simple Steps
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Yeah, yeah. The old blame the US shtick. Free Mumia! while you're at it. Those government fail because they are greedy and corrupt and that's ALL down to the people of those lands.
 
Montecresto said:
http://www.undp.org/content/dam/rblac/docs/Research and Publications/IDH/IDH-AL-ExecutiveSummary.pdf


The most recent statistics place Central America as the world’s most violent re- gion. In the last decade there have been 145,000 homicides in 7 countries in the region, the vast majority of them in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. These countries appear each year among the top ten places for homicides in the world. According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) report, in 2010 the rate of homicides for every 100,000 inhabitants in the countries in the region were: read more here.

http://www.ycsg.yale.edu/center/forms/violence-central-america64-72.pdf
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It has nothing to do with civil violence - that has no status on refugee status....... Are they at civil war? is the government purging and culling individuals - the answers to that is no and no...... Furthermore Chicago is more dangerous than Honduras.... So what is your point?

The United States in NOT their last solution.....

These clowns that want to give Honduran status may as well claim that those stuck in the middle of gang violence in Chicago are entitled to million dollar homes on Chicago's north shore because "its too dangerous" for them to live on the south or west sides of Chicago.
 
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shrubnose said:
I'm not.

International laws dictate how refugees must be treated.

Are you suggesting that the USA ignore those laws?

Fill us in.
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If there was a real serious problem in Honduras where there were refuges fleeing from who knows what, the UN would have set up refuge camps in Panama and Costa Rica.

There are no refugees in Honduras, the conditions in Honduras are the same as they always have been, just your typical banana republic basket case.

Obama has announced to the world in particular Central America he's not enforcing our borders or immigration laws and amigos of the Democrat Party will be given "permiso" and transported to any neighborhood they want to wait out for amnesty and citizenship while living off the stupid American taxpayers.
 
clownboy said:
Yeah, yeah. The old blame the US shtick. Free Mumia! while you're at it. Those government fail because they are greedy and corrupt and that's ALL down to the people of those lands.
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Typical failure to accept responsibility. You know you blame a half of America every damn day with your blame Obama and the democrats for everything. Stop it with the partisan bull****, unless you really don't care that America is collapsing, all the way around from failed administration policies after failed administration policies. The partisan bickering and finger pointing distracts from the fact that we have a single party with two wings on the same ****ing course!!
 
Mr.Nick said:
It has nothing to do with civil violence - that has no status on refugee status....... Are they at civil war? is the government purging and culling individuals - the answers to that is no and no...... Furthermore Chicago is more dangerous than Honduras.... So what is your point?

The United States in NOT their last solution.....

These clowns that want to give Honduran status may as well claim that those stuck in the middle of gang violence in Chicago are entitled to million dollar homes on Chicago's north shore because "its too dangerous" for them to live on the south or west sides of Chicago.
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Wow, undp posts the statistics documenting Central America to be, at present, the most dangerous place on earth, and you say it's Chicago. And what's with the million dollar homes. A bit hyperbolic.
 
clownboy said:
No, not necessary nor wise. If the UN wants to relocate those folks, relocate them to one of the other South American countries. No need to accept the US being the dumping ground.
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Exactly what makes the USA better than any South American country?

Fill us in.
 
Montecresto said:
Wow, undp posts the statistics documenting Central America to be, at present, the most dangerous place on earth, and you say it's Chicago. And what's with the million dollar homes. A bit hyperbolic.
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Why don't you go look up crime statistics in Chicago (or any major city)...

Hell we have only had I believe nearly 700 homicides here in Chicago this year alone and this year is only half over...
 
Mr.Nick said:
Why don't you go look up crime statistics in Chicago (or any major city)...

Hell we have only had I believe nearly 700 homicides here in Chicago this year alone and this year is only half over...
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I don't dispute Chicago's crime problem, and forbid my daughter to go to Grad school there because of it (if you can control a 23 year old) but its not Central America at the moment.
 
shrubnose said:
I'm not.

International laws dictate how refugees must be treated.

Are you suggesting that the USA ignore those laws?

Fill us in.
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They are not refugees you have to change the definition of refugee to even consider them refugees.
 
joG said:
Well we do have to do something about the kids dumped at the door.
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Send them back where they came from that is exactly what you do.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I had no idea the Honduran government was systematically executing their citizens and was in total chaos..
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Well, Honduras does have the highest murder rate in the world, if you count that as chaos.

NONE of these illegals are refugees..... Refugee status is reserved for people who come from brutal authoritarian/totalitarian regimes - NOT for people looking to take advantage of progressives and all the goodies they offer for free to "brown people" in hopes that they vote democrat.
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Just wrong as usual. Refugee status is not limited to Government persecution.

Refugees are generally people outside of their country who are unable or unwilling to return home because they fear serious harm.
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Refugees & Asylum | USCIS
 
Mr.Nick said:
Furthermore Chicago is more dangerous than Honduras.... So what is your point?
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:lol: So wrong it hurts! Chicago's homicide rate (per 100,000 residents) is in the teens, while Honduras's present rate is almost triple digits.
 
Deuce said:
Literally preferable to hav children die trying to come here.

When did my country get this way? What happened to the statement we placed on the Statue of Liberty?
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You mean you never noticed the asterisk on the statute?

Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free*​

*Mexicans, Central Americans,
and South Americans not included​
 
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