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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Life in prison (at the taxpayers' expense) is cheaper than execution?
    Yes, currently it is in many cases. However, it doesn't have to be. If the convicted have a limited number of appeals, and the method of execution used only one cheap but effective drug, it would be Much more cost effective and humane.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Life in prison (at the taxpayers' expense) is cheaper than execution?
    By a lot. Executing a prisoner is excessively expensive.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Life in prison (at the taxpayers' expense) is cheaper than execution?
    This is interesting. There are other sources, and I think this one may overstate...but there are many comparisons out there.

    California

    Assessment of Costs by Judge Arthur Alarcon and Prof. Paula Mitchell (2011, updated 2012)

    The authors concluded that the cost of the death penalty in California has totaled over $4 billion since 1978:

    $1.94 billion--Pre-Trial and Trial Costs
    $925 million--Automatic Appeals and State Habeas Corpus Petitions
    $775 million--Federal Habeas Corpus Appeals
    $1 billion--Costs of Incarceration

    The authors calculated that, if the Governor commuted the sentences of those remaining on death row to life without parole, it would result in an immediate savings of $170 million per year, with a savings of $5 billion over the next 20 years.
    Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    Yes, currently it is in many cases. However, it doesn't have to be. If the convicted have a limited number of appeals, and the method of execution used only one cheap but effective drug, it would be Much more cost effective and humane.
    Not 100% sure how "humane" state sponsored killing ever is.

    Shouldn't limit appeals or anything that would encourage more innocents on death row. Given the innate cost of human life, the death penalty being hella-expensive is probably appropriate.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not 100% sure how "humane" state sponsored killing ever is.
    Humane is the absence on unnecessary suffering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Shouldn't limit appeals or anything that would encourage more innocents on death row. Given the innate cost of human life, the death penalty being hella-expensive is probably appropriate.
    Appeals which span entire decades is not necessary.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    Humane is the absence on unnecessary suffering.



    Appeals which span entire decades is not necessary.
    Given the failure mode here, a liberal appeal process is necessary for the DP.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Why do you assume that killing someone is necessarily a punishment? Living a long, healthy life behind bars is a punishment while death is a release.
    If death is such a release for them and better than life without parole, why do almost all of them appeal the sentence right up to the last moment?

    Yes, some don't - Gary Gilmore and Timothy McVeigh come to mind, but the vast majority try very hard to get a death sentence commuted to life in prison.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Given the failure mode here, a liberal appeal process is necessary for the DP.
    There is a risk of executing an innocent person. The risk may be small, but it is still unacceptable. However, there are certain cases where the defendant has been proven guilty by DNA evidence. If that is the case, the death penalty is acceptable.

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