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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Ah so they can't kill or be a danger in solitary? Is that why prisons are so safe? And when the left tells us that too is cruel what then? Why make them suffer for decades when you can both end their suffering and punish them quickly and permanently?
    Well, you slide right from begging a question down a slippery slope.

    Why do you assume that killing someone is necessarily a punishment? Living a long, healthy life behind bars is a punishment while death is a release.


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    These executions are botched in many cases because politics has made it difficult so source the drugs needed. Now, I so happen to have a medical background and there are ways around this that would still grant a quick and painless death.

    We need to stop letting hand-wringing lefties control the debate-they are anything but disinterested.
    The "ingredients" necessary for the lethal "cocktail" are increasingly unavailable; hence, all these terrible experiments.

    I am not a hand-wringing leftie, but I do oppose the death penalty under all circumstances. If society insists that there must be one, then executions should be quick rather than "cruel and unusual." If the death is cruel or unusual, we're no better than those we put to death.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    I'm opposed to the death penalty (only because our judicial system is a joke), however situations like this really show how incompetent our idiots in government or in general can be.

    They spend thousands of dollars on these "cocktails" and they don't even work.....

    Of course when dealing with government - logic goes right out the window, but, if they want to murder a man/woman - just OD them on morphine. That is both cheap, easy and humane.

    These attempts at "humane" execution are the least bit humane (as if execution is humane in the first place)....

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Well, you slide right from begging a question down a slippery slope.

    Why do you assume that killing someone is necessarily a punishment? Living a long, healthy life behind bars is a punishment while death is a release.




    The "ingredients" necessary for the lethal "cocktail" are increasingly unavailable; hence, all these terrible experiments.

    I am not a hand-wringing leftie, but I do oppose the death penalty under all circumstances. If society insists that there must be one, then executions should be quick rather than "cruel and unusual." If the death is cruel or unusual, we're no better than those we put to death.
    Capital punishment is well, punishment. Taking someones life in response to their actions is sometimes justified-like the worst of the worst after a trial. Living a long healthy life anywhere is to some a travesty of justice (though you give your opinion otherwise). I see execution as a valid means to remove these people from the society they have tragically proven they can't be part of.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    This is ridiculous. Euthanasia (Greek for "Good death) works in less than one minute. It involves the injection a single drug intravenously. It is usually an extremely high dose of sodium thiopental or pentobarbital. Unconsciousness follows immediately, and within 30 seconds, respiratory and cardiac arrest follows. It is a quick and peaceful death. And it costs about forty bucks at the local vet.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    This is ridiculous. Euthanasia (Greek for "Good death) works in less than one minute. It involves the injection a single drug intravenously. It is usually an extremely high dose of sodium thiopental or pentobarbital. Unconsciousness follows immediately, and within 30 seconds, respiratory and cardiac arrest follows. It is a quick and peaceful death. And it costs about forty bucks at the local vet.

    Now that I agree with....I don't understand why it is that the same people that fight for the right of Euthanasia for terminal patients, so oppose the worst of humanity...Hell, even the animal world has remedies for those within the pack that just can't get along with others.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Now that I agree with....I don't understand why it is that the same people that fight for the right of Euthanasia for terminal patients, so oppose the worst of humanity...Hell, even the animal world has remedies for those within the pack that just can't get along with others.
    I also believe in the right to die. Imo, it is the fear of death and the importance people place on ego which prevents them from seeing the logic of this. Death is merely the last stage of life. It is just as necessary as birth. And when people are terminal (if they so choose to die in this instance), or when they are a destructive force in society, their death becomes a necessity. It isn't about playing "god."

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    I also believe in the right to die. Imo, it is the fear of death and the importance people place on ego which prevents them from seeing the logic of this. Death is merely the last stage of life. It is just as necessary as birth. And when people are terminal (if they so choose to die in this instance), or when they are a destructive force in society, their death becomes a necessity. It isn't about playing "god."
    Nor should it be. But, in the case where a person kills others with malice, and driven intent to do so needs to pay the ultimate price, because "playing God" is exactly what they are doing no?
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And all the people who kill who weren't guilty of the crimes they committed....just stopping possible future murders?

    You cannot punish someone for something they might do in the future. There's no such thing as future crime. And society on large is protected just as well by life in prison without parole. And it's cheaper, so we don't have to waste money on some archaic and unnecessary system of death.
    Life in prison (at the taxpayers' expense) is cheaper than execution?

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Life in prison (at the taxpayers' expense) is cheaper than execution?
    Under our system of law, yes. The appeals and judicial process associated with the death penalty is more costly than otherwise. That's not reason enough to abolish the death penalty altogether though, at least in my view.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Under our system of law, yes. The appeals and judicial process associated with the death penalty is more costly than otherwise. That's not reason enough to abolish the death penalty altogether though, at least in my view.
    Isn't the same process a given, whatever the punishment? I'd imagine that, even in the US, incarceration probably entails the possibility for appeals. How expensive is a bullet?

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