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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I think it's destructive to us as a society when we engage in acts of vengeance like this and revel in the suffering of another human being. While we are no doubt better off without this human amongst us it's quite a different matter to volunteer your conscience to become a part of the faceless mob seeking this kind of pseudo justice and enjoying his torture.
    The problem with you folks his killing - yet you would have absolutely murdering a man for contradicting your claims while some crazy fool murdered 10's of people.... I find your plight ionic at best...

    I'm personally anti-death penalty but some people are sick and twistd and dont even have remorse -- IMO they were looking to die from the day they were born amd om sp,e cases murdered other inmates but some of these inmates on Death Row are there fore reasons that are valid and others that are petty...

    I work extensively with the Innocents Project but some of these guys need to go....

    Then we all know there are plenty of innocent me on Death Row as we speak, and I have read too many cases where innocent men have bee put to death, due to bad council, bias, juries or just demeanor due to intelligence issues....

    I could get deeper into this philosophy , however that would cause me a conflict of interest..

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not compassion, our justice system is not for revenge. It's a statement of fact. If you use it for revenge, you break the whole thing.
    I agree. And yet the death penalty is not for revenge (unless you solely consider the victim and his or her family). However, for society at large, it is to eliminate a threat. With that being said, my biggest problems with the death penalty include the possibility of innocent people being put to death for crimes they did not commit, and also the government having the power to kill its citizens.. not a good precedent.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And all the people who kill who weren't guilty of the crimes they committed....just stopping possible future murders?

    You cannot punish someone for something they might do in the future. There's no such thing as future crime. And society on large is protected just as well by life in prison without parole. And it's cheaper, so we don't have to waste money on some archaic and unnecessary system of death.
    Life without parole does not ensure they won't kill again. They can kill inside prison, including prison staff (if you don't care about other inmates). Also, they can escape and kill while on the run.

    Execution protects society by ensuring a convicted murderer will never, ever kill again.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Life without parole does not ensure they won't kill again. They can kill inside prison, including prison staff (if you don't care about other inmates). Also, they can escape and kill while on the run.
    Everyone in the prison, whether inmates or guards, are there voluntarily and they're well aware of the risks. At that point, we've done a sufficient job of protecting society. Seeking absolutes is stupid.

    Execution protects society by ensuring a convicted murderer will never, ever kill again.
    And we kill instead.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Everyone in the prison, whether inmates or guards, are there voluntarily and they're well aware of the risks. At that point, we've done a sufficient job of protecting society. Seeking absolutes is stupid.
    Evidently, your society disagrees.



    And we kill instead.
    Nothing wrong with killing at certain times.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Evidently, your society disagrees.
    That's the best you can do? Clearly, you are incapable of refuting my points.

    Let's not pretend that the death penalty is about the person killing again. It's about vengeance.

    Nothing wrong with killing at certain times.
    In defense, sure. Killing a helpless harmless captive is not defense.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Life without parole does not ensure they won't kill again. They can kill inside prison, including prison staff (if you don't care about other inmates). Also, they can escape and kill while on the run.

    Execution protects society by ensuring a convicted murderer will never, ever kill again.
    Escape from high level security prison is unlikely and the death penalty does nothing to shore up that probability. There is a lot of violence in prison, but the death penalty does nothing to affect those probabilities either. Additionally, there are various prison reforms we could j itiate that would have a much greater affect on those overall probabilities.

    So again, not much is gained from having this expensive, archaic, dangerous, and unnecessary form of punishment.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    I think we need a death row inmate version of the hunger games. All proceeds from pay-per-view go to the families of the victims. We can also PPV the executions.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    The death penalty is not about vengeance- at least not for every person especially within the system. The people who sentence and carry out the penalty have no connection with the victim or the family of the victim. Therefore, the "it's all about vengeance" argument is null.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhiannon View Post
    The death penalty is not about vengeance- at least not for every person especially within the system. The people who sentence and carry out the penalty have no connection with the victim or the family of the victim. Therefore, the "it's all about vengeance" argument is null.
    Its about punishment.

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