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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those are taken care of with prison at base. Revenge is not part of justice. So what benefit?
    It's not about revenge it's about exacting a price for the worst human violence. Just as some people are sentenced to 5 years, and some to 50 years, some exact the highest price for their actions. The benefits are as I already described.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: Arizona Inmate Joseph Wood Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona - ABC News

    Another botched execution. 2 hours to die. That is cruel and unusual. The death penalty needs to go. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    This story pisses me off....

    If they're going to execute people they may as well just save the taxpayers the money and give these guys a lethal does of high grade heroin - that will do it - no suffering - they nod off and die. They wouldn't even need to strap them down - they'd be out in 10 seconds flat.

    Hell, at least give the condemned the option of going out that way.

    That's what they basically do in countries where self-assisted suicides are legal - they give them mass qualities of synthetic heroin... There is no struggle or no fighting for life..

    What they do in these state sanctioned executions is paralyze the condemned and start pumping them with the "right dosages" of chemicals no one takes for recreational use - so how the hell do these quacks know if they suffer or not?

    I suppose the philosophical question is if some people want them to suffer or die without suffering - I have an opinion on that but that doesn't matter. I am merely speaking here about what is effective and what is not as far as "killing" someone quick (I don't want to sound morbid either).

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It's unlikely that he suffered because these drugs were powerful enough to render him insensible. They were just not likely to completely suppress his respirations.

    Nevertheless, I agree that the death penalty should be abolished. Government officials make too many stupid mistakes to have authority over life and death.
    How do you know?

    It's not exactly like anyone who has ever been given those drugs have ever lived to tell about it, as a matter of fact on the contrary. The same drugs used to knock the guys out are typical drugs they uses for anesthesia when they're knocking patience out for surgery..... My dad had to have surgery when he was younger and in the military and he felt the entire operation while being paralyzed..... He said it was the most painful experience he as ever felt...

    You want to kill these guys? overdose them on narcotics instead of $10,000 worth of drugs these quacks have no idea other than theory what they will do. Or at the very minimum give them 10x the suggested lethal dose to insure they're dead instead of calculating how much they may or may not need.

    I mean back in the day when they used to hang people they would calculate how much rope they would need to hang someone - yet sometimes they would screw up and when they dropped the condemned their heads would pop off, which led to the so called "long drop."

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not about revenge it's about exacting a price for the worst human violence. Just as some people are sentenced to 5 years, and some to 50 years, some exact the highest price for their actions. The benefits are as I already described.
    Yet this "highest price" is paid by all of us. It's way more expensive to execute a prisoner than to house them for life. The DP consumes innocent life as well without providing any aggregate benefit. Any "benefit" for the prison population and employees can be solved without State sponsored killing.

    So what is the point, really? Why use an archaic and flawed system that is no longer necessary? Life in prison without parole is just as good as death, with the added benefit that one falsely imprisoned can stay alive long enough to perhaps see their conviction overturned.
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    The drug companies, in keeping with their anti-death penalty stance, have made it virtually impossible for the prisons to get the required dosages of the tested, effective drugs used in execution.

    Their plan, apparently, is to torture the hapless criminals by forcing us to use substandard, ineffective and untested drugs on those poor who are sentenced to death..until the outrage is so severe we just stop the death penalty.


    Pfft! HAHAHAHAHAHA

    So not going to happen.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yet this "highest price" is paid by all of us. It's way more expensive to execute a prisoner than to house them for life. The DP consumes innocent life as well without providing any aggregate benefit. Any "benefit" for the prison population and employees can be solved without State sponsored killing.

    So what is the point, really? Why use an archaic and flawed system that is no longer necessary? Life in prison without parole is just as good as death, with the added benefit that one falsely imprisoned can stay alive long enough to perhaps see their conviction overturned.
    Hell, if you REALLY want to punish someone just lock em up in solitary forever.

    No TV, no books, nothing.

    They will.absolutely go barking mad.

    Which is probably a better deterrent than a clean ending.

    Maybe make a week on that block mandatory for first timers. Include it in the scared straight program.

    "Yes. If you commit crimes heinous enough we will put you in a cell and leave you there forever. With high pressure sprayers keep you and the cell clean and crappy food thrown through a little door. So you can spend the rest of your sanity thinking about what you did."
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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It'll only "create empathy" for those already pre-disposed to have empathy for him. The rest of us are like, "meh". We view him as being on death row due to his own actions. Personal responsibility and all that other stuff that I know is complete gobbledygook to some.
    He is on death row for his own actions, but he is still protected by the constitution. When I saw Gaddafi dragged through the streets, I was not surprised that that is how his life ended. He was beaten to death, and such an end for him was excepted and easily foreseeable. However, I felt kind of disgusted watching it, regardless if I thought his actions brought him there. I cannot watch a person die like that and feel happiness or cause for celebration...

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    I oppose the death penalty in most cases, and I oppose abortion, in most cases. I am practical and pragmatic person. I try to see the whole issue and the unintended ramifications of being hardheaded on issues that involve areas of grey. I am not an emotional decision maker. I think abortion laws and the death penalty should be applied to society practically and in a utilitarianism manner.

    I prefer pro death penalty arguments like, "the death penalty should applied to protect society from truly sociopathic individuals who cannot be rehabilitated, and will most likely cause society danger by influencing others from within the prison system."

    I prefer an argument like that as opposed to the emotional, erratic arguments revolving around the victim's family and their emotional state and knee jerk reactions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    So, it's exactly as I said. You support the “right” to kill an innocent child, even though you rather meaninglessly claim to “morally oppose abortion on a personal level”; but you're opposed to putting the very worst criminal to death. You value the murderer's life more than that of the innocent child.

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Sociopathy is a mental illness. I don't think you seem sociopathic. Furthermore, not every person in prison is sociopathic. You are simply being emotional and putting words in my mouth.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Naw, you just said I had the exact same sociopathic qualities as a murderer, and not just any murderer, a capital murderer. Personally, I'd think I'd be a lot more sympathetic to the killer if I was just like him. If I'm sociopathic as you claim, why would I be bothered at all by his actions?

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    Re: Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Bicycle View Post
    The drug companies, in keeping with their anti-death penalty stance, have made it virtually impossible for the prisons to get the required dosages of the tested, effective drugs used in execution.

    Their plan, apparently, is to torture the hapless criminals by forcing us to use substandard, ineffective and untested drugs on those poor who are sentenced to death..until the outrage is so severe we just stop the death penalty.


    Pfft! HAHAHAHAHAHA

    So not going to happen.
    I have no problem with that. I'm against the death penalty, but even if you are for it you should support companies standing for what they believe in and doing what they think is right. If they know the state will use their products to kill people and they would very much not like to be responsible for such a thing it is best they not do business with the state. If they instead do business with the state it is very hard to argue their actions did not assist in the state killing someone.

    If they stay out of it and the state still finds drugs to kill people with the drug companies are not in any sort of way responsible.
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